dyeah_gb
6 years ago
What is the deal with AR and MM on clock management on offense??

I saw at least 2 time outs wasted due to the inability to get the play out on time. When the snap is on time, the play clock is almost always at 1-2 seconds.

I also see alot of motion before the snap which may contribute to the issue. It is weird though because the player in motion usually returns to the original position and sets themselves again so it does not look like it is to avoid getting jammed at the line or anything. Maybe it is to verify man versus zone like I do in Madden? I assume real defenses are smarter than video games.

Also, this is a carry over from the last couple years so I don't think Philbin has anything to do with it. If MM is going back to basics, it is not visible before the snap.
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Zero2Cool
6 years ago
I'm thinking Aaron Rodgers is overthinking things. Sees the defense, changes the play and has to make sure all the duckies get the new/changed play call. And extra time is taken to evaluate how the defense altered things.
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dyeah_gb
6 years ago

I'm thinking Aaron Rodgers is overthinking things. Sees the defense, changes the play and has to make sure all the duckies get the new/changed play call. And extra time is taken to evaluate how the defense altered things.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



I wonder if this drives Philbin crazy. It seems like AR is a slow learner or just stubborn (I can respect him for being stubborn). In week 1, success happened after AR got the ball out quickly to mitigate the Bears pass rush. I feel he was forced into this because of the injury. If not for that, he probably would have waited for 4-5 seconds every time for the play to develop and the Pack would have probably lost.
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6 years ago
I believe the problem is how quickly (slowly) the play comes in. Contrast our guy, who doesn’t start talking into the mic until 5-10 seconds after the ball is spotted, with the Bears dude, who almost seemed to be getting the next play in BEFORE the ball was actually spotted.

The reason playcallers have the chart is to expedite the process. We seem to be second guessing the chart. 4-5 seconds, i.e. hesitation should not be necessary, esp when there is a 50-50 chance the play wil be changed by #12. the frustration on12’s face often during the game is telling

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DoddPower
6 years ago

I wonder if this drives Philbin crazy. It seems like Aaron Rodgers is a slow learner or just stubborn (I can respect him for being stubborn).

Originally Posted by: dyeah_gb 



This is silly. Aaron Rodgers is likely the smartest offensive mind in the Packers organization. He's the only reason McCarthy is still the coach, imo. Any coach would love to have him. I doubt he's driving them "crazy".
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dyeah_gb
6 years ago

This is silly. Aaron Rodgers is likely the smartest offensive mind in the Packers organization. He's the only reason McCarthy is still the coach, imo. Any coach would love to have him. I doubt he's driving them "crazy".

Originally Posted by: DoddPower 



AR is a great QB and many coaches would love to have him. Your claim that he is the mastermind behind the strategic execution of the offense is speculation. It would be interesting to see the discussions between the coaches and AR to see where exactly that line begins and ends though.
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DoddPower
6 years ago

AR is a great QB and many coaches would love to have him. Your claim that he is the mastermind behind the strategic execution of the offense is speculation. It would be interesting to see the discussions between the coaches and Aaron Rodgers to see where exactly that line begins and ends though.

Originally Posted by: dyeah_gb 



Of course it's speculation. There's largely no way any normal fan could know for certain. But I have always read that Rodgers is incredibly smart, and I believe it. He seems like a Peyton Manning general type of QB on the field. Does that mean he's perfect? Absolutely not. Neither was Manning or anyone else. But if forced to choose, I'd trust Rodgers over McCarthy. Although I think McCarthy is an average coach (not horrible), I think he's vastly overrated thanks to Aaron Rodgers. He wouldn't be the coach of the Packers anymore if not for Rodgers.
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blueleopard
6 years ago
He has to yell signals to the line too. Remember that every part of the play called covers everything from routes to protection. If you change one thing, you have to make sure there's a signal to other position groups if anything changed.

Having someone who isn't as experienced like Justin McCray or any wide receivers not named Davante Adams or Randall Cobb would further complicate things. It's only Week 3.
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Smokey
6 years ago

He has to yell signals to the line too. Remember that every part of the play called covers everything from routes to protection. If you change one thing, you have to make sure there's a signal to other position groups if anything changed.

Having someone who isn't as experienced like Justin McCray or any wide receivers not named Davante Adams or Randall Cobb would further complicate things. It's only Week 3.

Originally Posted by: blueleopard 



While your analysis is partly true, Geronimo Allison has the vested experience to know to switch from one pass route to another. In fact I see him surpassing Cobb this season in targets/catches/TDs/ & YAC.
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dyeah_gb
6 years ago

He has to yell signals to the line too. Remember that every part of the play called covers everything from routes to protection. If you change one thing, you have to make sure there's a signal to other position groups if anything changed.

Having someone who isn't as experienced like Justin McCray or any wide receivers not named Davante Adams or Randall Cobb would further complicate things. It's only Week 3.

Originally Posted by: blueleopard 



I like the idea that the Pack are making effort early in the season for more solid execution later on. Given how they seem to have struggled with the clock in the past few years, it seems optimistic that this will happen though. Maybe this is because injuries force them to always have a few inexperienced players on the offense.
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