Cheesey
6 years ago
I didn’t dehumanize anybody.
And in today’s world, there is plenty to fear. It’s not “preying” on people to bring up that it’s real, and SHOULD bring fear.
All I am asking for is common sense approaches to illegals trying to enter the United States. Not protecting our borders doesn’t just let good decent people in here, it allows seriously evil people and even terrorists into America.
In the past, you could reason with your enemies. You can’t reason with people that think it’s an “honor” to die killing as many Americans as they can.

Anti gun people are ones that “prey” on people to produce fear. There are enough gun laws. Making gun laws ONLY affects people that obey the law. Bad people will ALWAYS have the black market to obtain guns. All new gun laws do is make people “feel good”. That don’t stop crime one bit.
Do you honestly believe that criminals will say “oh my! There are new guns laws! I haven’t obeyed any laws up to now, but THIS one I’ll obey!”
If you believe that, you are naive.

What we really need is harsher penalties when someone uses a gun to commit a crime. Today you can use a gun and be back out on the street to commit even more violent crimes. Most bad guys that commit crimes with guns are repeat offenders that should have never been back out on the street in the first place. Lock them up and throw away the key! THAT would deter crime. It’s our so called “justice system” that has dropped the ball too many times to count. Hold judges accountable when a violent offender gets out of prison and commits more crimes. No more “slap on the wrist” punishment.
Do the crime, do SERIOUS time.
UserPostedImage
DarkaneRules
6 years ago
I get it. I understand the premise too. But remember that saying that laws only work for people who obey the law opens up another argument: Why have any laws for anything?

It's very true that the justice system is a sham. It's essentially out of control. It's an issue that I think both sides of the political spectrum, and everyone in between, can come together on. Violent crime should be top priority for incarceration. Non-violent crime that cannot be directly linked to an event of violence should be fined and ordered to community service.
Circular Arguments: They are a heck of an annoyance
Cheesey
6 years ago

I get it. I understand the premise too. But remember that saying that laws only work for people who obey the law opens up another argument: Why have any laws for anything?
.

Originally Posted by: DarkaneRules 



That’s actually easy to answer. What I’m saying is: we already have PLENTY of gun laws. It’s not like we have no gun laws in place already.
What we need is stricter enforcement of the laws we already have, and bigger penalties if you decide to break those laws.
There are already laws that say you can’t rob a 24hour store or do a drive by shooting, right? Problem is, there are evil people that don’t give a damn about those laws and do whatever THEY want to do. No respect for others or human life. So would making more laws stop these crimes, or even slow them down? No.
You have to attack those committing those crimes if you want to actually lower the violent crime rate.
I’ve been a gun owner for 45 years and haven’t used a gun to commit a crime. You have to target the people that commit the crimes to actually make a difference.
Otherwise it’s just feel good and meaningless .
UserPostedImage
DarkaneRules
6 years ago
You aren't seeing the bigger picture here. This is not about good guys with guns. Never has been. Go back to my initial post and the premise therein. It's about the manufacturers and NRA; those who will undermine the laws on the books and lobby to remove them. Follow the money. I'm glad you are a proud and lawful owner, so is the majority of my family. I support them and support you. But this isn't about that. It's about the criminals in our government, the criminal lobbyists, and those who use them to line their pockets and increase their power. It's cronyism under a mask of self defense.
Circular Arguments: They are a heck of an annoyance
KRK
  • KRK
  • Veteran Member
6 years ago
Darkane Rules said:
.... I understand wanting to protect Americans first and foremost and a strong border is part of that. But those who will dehumanize immigrants are preying on the most susceptible of us to create the fear of the other. Be wary.

I believe you 'understand' wanting to protect Americans, but I don't believe you vote for politicians who are willing to put that protection into action. Further, to your other points.
- Perhaps you should ask Kate Steinle's parents about dehumanizing immigrants. She was dehumanized in a brutal way by one of these scum.
https://www.gao.gov/products/GAO-11-187 . Gee you think building a wall would give a strong ROI?!?!?!?
- Perhaps you should visit some border towns and talk to the hospital administrators about the human cost to our citizens and how these towns are being bankrupted.

Most of the bloggers on these thread sit up north and are are clueless about the cost to our citizens of illegal immigration. They simply bark like clapping seals the latest liberal talking points.

The selective and shortsighted outrage in this country is pathetic and appalling.
In Luce tua Videmus Lucem KRK
Porforis
6 years ago

Porforis, so your answer is that we should just let anyone in? Not have any checks and balances to keep bad people out?

Originally Posted by: Cheesey 



I'd be happy to respond to the rest of your message if you're willing to actually read what I said instead of putting rather extreme words in my mouth. I never said or implied anything remotely close to the case. I in fact said that this was not the case.

Not to say that this means we should just let them in

Originally Posted by: Porforis 



Can we please be just a little less rude to eachother?
DarkaneRules
6 years ago
And here I thought I framed my statements in a way that tried to see both sides. But I'm just an animal spewing talking points. There's also an assumption that I don't know how much unnecessary incarceration costs. I do and I promise I'm (almost) just as outraged. Hey, I'm all for deporting anyone who is committing any crime by those who have not going through the process of gaining citizenship (which is a whole 'nother topic, in terms of clusterfucks of systems in the US). That being said, why are you mad at me and liberals? I bet Donald Trump has hired way more illegal immigrants for his buildings and the like than any of us could ever dream of.
Circular Arguments: They are a heck of an annoyance
KRK
  • KRK
  • Veteran Member
6 years ago
D,
My apologies for my zealousness. I don’t mean to personalize this discussion. But I get extremely frustrated with the left in the moronic resistance to a border wall.
A country without Borders is not a country. I am all for humanitarian aid but as others have rightly pointed out the best humanitarian aid is addressed to and with the goal of keeping people where they are as opposed to having them immigrate to the United States.
Invariably, the people who advocate open borders are not the ones paying the taxes for the cost of immigration. They are big businesses who want cheaper labor, or people in the democrat voting block that one more illiterate and dependent voters
In Luce tua Videmus Lucem KRK
Cheesey
6 years ago
Porfiris, I apologize if you think I was trying to treat you rudely. I certainly did not intend to do that.
In a thread like this, it can be VERY hard to get the points trying to be made by just words on a screen. Face to face would be SOOO much easier, and more difficult to be misunderstood.

My main point has been that we need to protect our borders, and control whoever tries to get into this country, reguardless of if they seem to have a family or not. Yes, some are trying to escape a bad life. But we can’t just let huge amounts of people to come in illegally. Do it legally and i have no problem with it.
As was already said, border towns are being ravaged because of people pouring into their towns. We don’t see the damage first hand because we live far away from those people that actually have to deal with it daily.

Again, I promise you I meant no disrespect.
UserPostedImage
wpr
  • wpr
  • Preferred Member
6 years ago
You know what I like? People exchanging ideas and opinions without name calling. Or if they did, they take a step back in their next post. What a far cry from what we have witnessed over the past few years. Well done. I will lobby Zero and see if I can get your next dues payment cut in half. Just don't hold me to that.
UserPostedImage
Fan Shout
Mucky Tundra (27-Jul) : Golden with two TDs in red zone drills today
Mucky Tundra (27-Jul) : @JacobMorley Shoutout to Quinn Ewers for allowing Matthew Golden to be available when Green Bay picked.
Zero2Cool (27-Jul) : The menu you expanded to log in, it's the first icon under "PackersHome" .. maybe i should add text to it
dfosterf (27-Jul) : Feelin' pfowish can't find the sun. No big deal, will drag a laptop out when the time comes
Zero2Cool (27-Jul) : if you're on mobile, open the menu and its the "sun" icon
dfosterf (27-Jul) : Can't find the toggle, lol
dfosterf (27-Jul) : I can find that the Microsoft lady rep for Titletown Tech is the philanthropy boss for the entire Microsoft corporation, but. .
Zero2Cool (27-Jul) : There's a toggle for light/dark theme. Super easy.
dfosterf (27-Jul) : The white background beta was hard to read, especially the quotes
dfosterf (27-Jul) : Hopefully the color scheme remains the same
dfosterf (27-Jul) : *Friday*
dfosterf (27-Jul) : 100 million would be 539 million as of Fridsy
dfosterf (27-Jul) : Heck, they could have taken a hundred milliion and invested in DAVE inc. last year (semi random, humor, but real)
dfosterf (27-Jul) : Beer brat and ticket is where the money comes from
dfosterf (27-Jul) : The 40th is Titletown Tech itself. This is a pet project of both Ed Policy and Mark Murphy
Zero2Cool (27-Jul) : New site coming along nicely. The editor is better than what we have here. Oh yeah!
dfosterf (27-Jul) : No profit that I know of. 0 for 40
dfosterf (27-Jul) : The woke reference has to do with the makeup and oftentimes objectives of the companies they invested in
packerfanoutwest (27-Jul) : beer and brats woke? say whom?
beast (27-Jul) : I don't want to get into politics, but how is, beers and brats considered to be "woke"? Food is food...
beast (27-Jul) : That being said, I'm not saying all 100% should be that way, but not surprised if majority are Wisconsin based
beast (27-Jul) : And if everyone has heard of them, then it it probably has less growth potential and less community based
beast (27-Jul) : Well isn't the investing person supposed to invest the money?
dfosterf (27-Jul) : I swear if I were to discover that one of them has invented a virtue signalling transmitter I will not be surprised, lol
dfosterf (27-Jul) : 39 companies so far that I bet no one has ever heard of.
dfosterf (27-Jul) : -Not saying woke, but should- borderline philanthopist venture capital excercise
dfosterf (27-Jul) : Well for one, they are pouring resources into Title Town Tech. Investing beer, brat, hot dog, ticket money into what is pretty much...
beast (27-Jul) : Wow, 95% drop in investment revenue? Would be interesting to hear the details of why...
dfosterf (25-Jul) : It's my one day deal complaint dept. on shareholder meeting day
dfosterf (25-Jul) : Probably a homer access credential intimidation kinda thing
dfosterf (25-Jul) : Meathead "journalists" skip this, concentrating on operational revenue when convenient. They switch when net revenue is more favorable.
dfosterf (25-Jul) : Resulting in an actual drop of net revenue of 12.5%. She is from Minnesota. Just sayin'
dfosterf (25-Jul) : Any plans to hold Maureen Smith (CFO) accountable for a 95% drop in investment revenue?
Mucky Tundra (25-Jul) : In your face, HBO!
Mucky Tundra (25-Jul) : @ByRyanWood Mark Murphy: “A great source of pride of mine is that we were never on Hard Knocks.”
Mucky Tundra (25-Jul) : *years
Mucky Tundra (25-Jul) : @mattschneidman Mark Murphy says he anticipates “many Packers games” being played in Germany, Ireland and/or the U.K. over the next 5-10 yea
dfosterf (25-Jul) : *cafeteria* I have hit my head also, so I sympathize
dfosterf (25-Jul) : Possibly hit his head leaning into the glass protecting the food in the cafateria
dfosterf (25-Jul) : Maybe a low flying drone
dfosterf (25-Jul) : Did Savion Williams run into a goalpost or something?
Mucky Tundra (25-Jul) : also, no bueno when a guy starts getting concussions right off the bat in his career
Zero2Cool (25-Jul) : Concussion is worse. Banks probably vet off day via back booboo claim
Mucky Tundra (25-Jul) : @AndyHermanNFL Jordy Nelson out at camp today. No word if he’s in play for one of the two open roster spots ; )
dfosterf (25-Jul) : Is that better or worse than Banks bad back?
Zero2Cool (25-Jul) : Savion concussion ... not good.
packerfanoutwest (24-Jul) : Aaron Rodgers’s first pass of first team period was picked off
Mucky Tundra (24-Jul) : tbh I didn't hear of his passing
Zero2Cool (24-Jul) : Cosby Show. Malcom Jamal Warner I think is real name
Mucky Tundra (24-Jul) : I was thinking of Ozzy and Hulk
Please sign in to use Fan Shout
2025 Packers Schedule
Sunday, Sep 7 @ 3:25 PM
LIONS
Thursday, Sep 11 @ 7:15 PM
COMMANDERS
Sunday, Sep 21 @ 12:00 PM
Browns
Sunday, Sep 28 @ 7:20 PM
Cowboys
Sunday, Oct 12 @ 3:25 PM
BENGALS
Sunday, Oct 19 @ 3:25 PM
Cardinals
Sunday, Oct 26 @ 7:20 PM
Steelers
Sunday, Nov 2 @ 12:00 PM
PANTHERS
Monday, Nov 10 @ 7:15 PM
EAGLES
Sunday, Nov 16 @ 12:00 PM
Giants
Sunday, Nov 23 @ 12:00 PM
VIKINGS
Thursday, Nov 27 @ 12:00 PM
Lions
Sunday, Dec 7 @ 12:00 PM
BEARS
Sunday, Dec 14 @ 3:25 PM
Broncos
Friday, Dec 19 @ 11:00 PM
Bears
Friday, Dec 26 @ 11:00 PM
RAVENS
Saturday, Jan 3 @ 11:00 PM
Vikings
Recent Topics
17m / Random Babble / Zero2Cool

1h / Green Bay Packers Talk / Mucky Tundra

1h / Green Bay Packers Talk / Mucky Tundra

21h / Green Bay Packers Talk / Mucky Tundra

27-Jul / Feedback, Suggestions and Issues / Zero2Cool

27-Jul / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

25-Jul / Around The NFL / Mucky Tundra

25-Jul / Green Bay Packers Talk / Mucky Tundra

25-Jul / Green Bay Packers Talk / TheKanataThrilla

25-Jul / Green Bay Packers Talk / dfosterf

25-Jul / Around The NFL / beast

24-Jul / Green Bay Packers Talk / Martha Careful

24-Jul / Around The NFL / beast

24-Jul / Green Bay Packers Talk / Mucky Tundra

23-Jul / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

Headlines
Copyright © 2006 - 2025 PackersHome.com™. All Rights Reserved.