nerdmann
7 years ago

Positives:

-Another roster spot for someone who else who may compete at a more needed position
- Less chance for locker room drama, player not wanting to be here

Originally Posted by: isocleas2 



Here’s definitely more to this. Time will tell.
“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”
Barfarn
7 years ago

QUIT IT! You’re distorting reality to prop and accommodate your biases regarding GB’s GM.

Denver just traded Riley Dixon to Giants for a conditional 7th [after singing King] and Vogel is quite a bit better. [Beast was right, Vogel surely had trade value].

Dixon (’16 7th rounder) last year netted 40.2 (#22) with same inside 20 rate as Vogel [I typo’d earlier that he was 9th in net, Vogel was 7th (41.6)]. Dixon had 3 TBs (Vogel 2) and 2 punts blocked (Vogel 0). This guy was in his 2d year and not nearly as good as rookie Vogel.

If Vogel were cut, he and his 2 years/$1.1M salary would surely be claimed by the Giants or Cleveland [Their punter is 33 YO, net 40.6, and is due 2 years/$5.7M].

So, any other team with a lousy punter or an over paid one [EG, TB ‘s 29YO punter netted 2 yards less and is due 2 years/$6M; Seattle’s 36YO punter netted almost 3 yards less and is due 2 years/$5.6M] would need to TRADE for Vogel to upgrade their punter position and some could save millions in cap over next 2 years.

Hell, a good GM might have several bidders and work it into a 6th.

And if Vogel don’t want to compete, well then that’s just too damn bad for him. A good GM doesn’t cater to this type of kiddy crap. A good GM doesn’t give away team assets. He’s a punter, he’s not going to create discord on the team; his failure to act like a responsible adult will harm his career. A good GM would pull out the contract and say, “Son, I expect you to live up to your word as a man…and if you chose to be less than a man, but instead act like a unkind uncaring soulless Millennial sniveling snowflake its-all-about-me-me-me bitch, then we’ll take the requisite steps to hold you to your contract.”

Originally Posted by: Barfarn 



The first team [Browns] in the waiver order claimed Vogel.

Surely Vogel has a better chance of making several other teams. So, surely Vogel and his agent Rosenhaus stormed into Dorsey's office today demanding his release. Dorsey just looked at them for about 2 minutes motionless and expressionless and then said, "Get the FU$% out of my office...report to ST coach by 9am tomorrow."

See, Dorsey is not a flake.
bboystyle
7 years ago

Vogel was a good punter. This wasn’t a diva routine after the fact. They drafted him, because Vogel has some kind of a problem.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



decent? yes. good? not so much. He was 7th in net yards which is the only reason why he was decent. His inside the 20 and hang time were at the bottom of the barrel.
nerdmann
7 years ago

decent? yes. good? not so much. He was 7th in net yards which is the only reason why he was decent. His inside the 20 and hang time were at the bottom of the barrel.

Originally Posted by: bboystyle 



As a rookie.

It just seems to me subjectively, that this is a Josh Sitton scenario. They drafted this new guy because there's something wrong with Vogel. Maybe it's nothing, we'll probably find out before TC.
“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”
DoddPower
7 years ago

As a rookie.

It just seems to me subjectively, that this is a Josh Sitton scenario. They drafted this new guy because there's something wrong with Vogel. Maybe it's nothing, we'll probably find out before TC.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



I don't get what the big deal is. The Packers think they had an opportunity to upgrade the position, for any number of reasons that we will likely never fully know. They drafted their guy and they promptly moved on. So be it. The only way this is a bad decision is if Scott sucks. As long as he pans out, it's an acceptable move. If he turns out to be very good or great, it will end up a very good move. Not much different from every other draft pick.
Bigbyfan
7 years ago
I'm still laughing at Barnfarn claiming someone else is distorting facts to accommodate their bias towards the new GM.
blank
TheKanataThrilla
7 years ago

I don't get what the big deal is. The Packers think they had an opportunity to upgrade the position, for any number of reasons that we will likely never fully know. They drafted their guy and they promptly moved on. So be it. The only way this is a bad decision is if Scott sucks. As long as he pans out, it's an acceptable move. If he turns out to be very good or great, it will end up a very good move. Not much different from every other draft pick.

Originally Posted by: DoddPower 



If BG was going to keep all of his picks and not trade them, then this and the LS draft pick was a great use of the extra picks. Why not try and get the best Punter in the draft at a cost of one of your many late round picks? The stats on this kid is pretty damn good. Having a connection to Wisconsin and Packer fans in the family I hope will push him even more to succeed.

I do hope they bring in another Punter for training camp just to push him. I wonder if Peter Mortell is available?
Smokey
7 years ago
The Browns claim Vogel from Wavers, case closed. [biggrin]
UserPostedImage
Cheesey
7 years ago
Punter and long snapper don’t seem like a big deal. But have lousy ones, and it could cost you several games.
Have great ones and it could save your season.

UserPostedImage
beast
7 years ago

decent? yes. good? not so much. He was 7th in net yards which is the only reason why he was decent. His inside the 20 and hang time were at the bottom of the barrel.

Originally Posted by: bboystyle 


Oh, they're tracking hangtimes now? Which site might I be able to find that?

But net yards is the most important stat for the punting unit. Though if Vogel was so horrible at hang time and they were still 7th, then the team should have resign Janis.

Heck if Janis is so horrible at WR, I don't understand why they didn't try him out as a FS... as he's got the speed and can tackle. While he might be extremely limited in playing the deep FS role only, that might be better than what he has done at WR.

But for the inside the 20 stat, I've always found that stat overrated as it all depends on where they punted from, which the Punter has zero control over.
UserPostedImage
Fan Shout
packerfanoutwest (2h) : Nick Collins and Morgan Burnett have signed with the PACK
packerfanoutwest (2h) : he won't be wearing #12, maybe he will wear number two
packerfanoutwest (2h) : He will fail this season, should have retired
Mucky Tundra (3h) : Thus the cycle of Hall of Fame Packer QBs going to the Jets and then the Vikings is broken
bboystyle (6h) : Rodgers to steelers on 1 year contract
Zero2Cool (15h) : It's the cycle of civilizations. Get lazier, lazier, softer, softer and vanish.
Martha Careful (16h) : great point. every aspect of society, including art, culture and sports has degraded.
dfosterf (4-Jun) : Green Bay sweep meant something to society about stopping pure excellence. We have the tush push now
dfosterf (4-Jun) : We old Martha.
Martha Careful (4-Jun) : *front four
Martha Careful (4-Jun) : Re frout four, I wish we had some Green "People Eaters" or a fearsome foursome
dfosterf (4-Jun) : *directions*
dfosterf (4-Jun) : Just don't ask him for driving direct
dfosterf (4-Jun) : Jim Marshall was an all-time great DE for the Purple People Eaters. Didn't like him. That's a compliment. RIP
Zero2Cool (3-Jun) : ooppppss
Zero2Cool (3-Jun) : “Kenny Clark played all of last season hurt by the way and got surgery to fix it in January”
Mucky Tundra (3-Jun) : @ByRyanWood How much did the injury affect him last fall? “A lot.”
Mucky Tundra (3-Jun) : @ByRyanWood Kenny Clark said he had foot surgery in January. Injured his foot in opener against Eagles and played through it all year.
Zero2Cool (3-Jun) : Golden is wearing guardian cap again. I bet he plays with it on too.
Mucky Tundra (3-Jun) : All the stuff I'm reading from Lions fans are pointing at his toe; he more or less has permanent turf toe in one of his big toes
dfosterf (3-Jun) : Kenny played through it, and a shame he gets little credit for that, imo
dfosterf (3-Jun) : Big men. I hope it's not the undoing of Kenny Clark
dfosterf (3-Jun) : Probably his toe. Pretty much a great center. Toe injuries are brutal to bigen
Mucky Tundra (2-Jun) : Lions All-Pro C Frank Ragnow retires
wpr (30-May) : It's all good.
beast (30-May) : Yeah, and I enjoyed your comments and just attempted to add to it. Sorry if I did it incorrectly.
wpr (30-May) : Beast I never said Henderson was the salt of the earth. Nor even that he was correct. Just quoting the guy.
Zero2Cool (29-May) : What did you do??
Zero2Cool (29-May) : Whoa
beast (29-May) : OMG the website is now all white, even some white on white text
beast (29-May) : Henderson, who admits to taking cocaine during the Super Bowl against the Steelers, might dislike Bradshaw as he lost two Superbowls to him
wpr (28-May) : Hollywood Henderson said Bradshaw “is so dumb, he couldn't spell 'cat' if you spotted him the C and an A.”
Mucky Tundra (28-May) : Cooper stock=BUY BUY BUY
Mucky Tundra (28-May) : Also notes he’s playing with more confidence.
Mucky Tundra (28-May) : @AndyHermanNFL MLF says there was a time last year where Cooper was at 220 pounds. Now he’s at 240 and still flying around.
Mucky Tundra (28-May) : And don't even get me started on Frank Caliendos "impersonations"
Mucky Tundra (28-May) : I got tired of them being circle jerks with them overlaughing at each others jokes.
Zero2Cool (28-May) : It used to be must watch TV for me. now it's "meh" maybe to hear injury update
Mucky Tundra (28-May) : I haven't watched the pregame shows in years and I don't feel like I've missed a thing
Zero2Cool (28-May) : Love says knee affected him all season, groin injury didn't help matters.
Zero2Cool (28-May) : I used to enjoy him on FOX Pregame. Now it's like a frat party of former Patriots.
Zero2Cool (28-May) : LaFleur on Watson: “Christian is doing outstanding. I would say he’s ahead of schedule.”
Martha Careful (28-May) : Bradshaw is a dumb ass cracker. I am so tired of his "aw shucks" diatribe. He should shrivel up and go away.
buckeyepackfan (28-May) : He wad all butt hurt because Aaron duped the media saying he was immunized.
buckeyepackfan (28-May) : Bradshaw needs to retire. He's been ripping on Rodgers ever since the covid crap. He was all hury
Zero2Cool (28-May) : Terry Bradshaw doesn't want Rodgers in Pittsburgh lol wow
Zero2Cool (27-May) : one day contract, which he also feels is pointless, but if Packers came to him, he would
packerfanoutwest (27-May) : Aaron Rodgers talks possibility of retiring with Packers, just another rumor
dfosterf (27-May) : Go watch 2001
Zero2Cool (26-May) : 1984
Please sign in to use Fan Shout
2025 Packers Schedule
Sunday, Sep 7 @ 3:25 PM
LIONS
Thursday, Sep 11 @ 7:15 PM
COMMANDERS
Sunday, Sep 21 @ 12:00 PM
Browns
Sunday, Sep 28 @ 7:20 PM
Cowboys
Sunday, Oct 12 @ 3:25 PM
BENGALS
Sunday, Oct 19 @ 3:25 PM
Cardinals
Sunday, Oct 26 @ 7:20 PM
Steelers
Sunday, Nov 2 @ 12:00 PM
PANTHERS
Monday, Nov 10 @ 7:15 PM
EAGLES
Sunday, Nov 16 @ 12:00 PM
Giants
Sunday, Nov 23 @ 12:00 PM
VIKINGS
Thursday, Nov 27 @ 12:00 PM
Lions
Sunday, Dec 7 @ 12:00 PM
BEARS
Sunday, Dec 14 @ 3:25 PM
Broncos
Friday, Dec 19 @ 11:00 PM
Bears
Friday, Dec 26 @ 11:00 PM
RAVENS
Saturday, Jan 3 @ 11:00 PM
Vikings
Recent Topics
2h / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

19h / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

22h / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

1-Jun / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

1-Jun / Green Bay Packers Talk / wpr

29-May / Green Bay Packers Talk / Martha Careful

27-May / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

27-May / Random Babble / Martha Careful

24-May / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

23-May / Green Bay Packers Talk / greengold

23-May / Green Bay Packers Talk / earthquake

22-May / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

22-May / Green Bay Packers Talk / bboystyle

21-May / Green Bay Packers Talk / greengold

20-May / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

Headlines
Copyright © 2006 - 2025 PackersHome.com™. All Rights Reserved.