I'm referring more to the whole thing with being "aggressive" in free agency.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 

Packers signed the number one rated TE and number rated DL (at the time). Also, Packers signed division rival CB to an offer sheet. How is this not aggressive? We were also in talks with several other players too. What the hell do you want? You realize there is a salary cap, right?

I swear, fans just bitch and bitch some more.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 

Indeed. My point was, whereas Ted was barely involved in free agency, it seems as if Gute is going a little bit overboard with it, as if to prove that he is the “Anti-Ted.” I hope it works.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 

Ahh, I get you now. You think he's signing people to prove he's not Ted Thompson. That would be a mistake. Gotta be your own man, and I do believe that's what he's doing. Otherwise, he would have overspent for someone like Allen Hurns or Allen Robinson or Sammy Watkins and he never would have cut Jordy Nelson, nor would have traded a first round player like Damarious Randall. I don't question his motives behind his moves, but now I see where you're coming from.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 

It's my opinion the Seahawks were a run first offense with a pass dominate TE and he was misused. Apparently I am not alone with that opinion.

The thing about facts, they are kind of like stats, they are often manipulated to blend into the interpreters bias. If you hate the new GM, you will find anything to discredit the new acquisition, like you know that only one player had more receiving TD's than Jimmy Graham in 2017.

You're using third down efficiencies from an offensive coordinator who PASSED the ball on the goalline in the Super Bowl with less than half minute to play when he had MARSHAWN LYNCH getting over 4 yards carry. Maybe if he had that legitimate red zone threat Jimmy Graham, passing would have won the game. ;-)

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 

3 Years ago, right here, after Graham’s trade to Hawks in this LINK , I said among other things that:
“and most important Graham sucks…Wolf would[n’t] so much as trade a pubic hair from his left nut for Graham.

In the two years b4 Graham [2008-9] NO averaged 6516 yrds and 6.3 yrds/play. In the 5 years he was playing NO averaged 6596 Yrds and 6.08 yrds/play. Brees played 16 games each year but 2009, when he played 15, the starters were all rested the last game of 2009, so this made stats for 2008-9 look artificially worse…NO racked up 458 yrds [w/o Graham] and their average w/ Graham was 411.”

I point out the folly of your trite sports clichés and you follow them up with more. Seattle didn’t know how to use Graham? Really, who here thinks they’re smarter than Bevell? The freakin’ arrogance. Hawks are run-first? WTF does that mean 😂? You don’t even know what you mean by this crap.

Are you saying if Seattle was Pass-first [whatever the hell that means] Graham would stop his running wrong routes, crap blocking, causing 4 Wilson INTs, etc.? Really? [A true red herring].

From 3 yrs ago we now know Graham wasn’t smart enough to learn Seattle’s route adjustments. On 3rd and long, one would think this is the perfect time to use your TE weapon down the seam to open up the passing game. But, 75% of the time, maybe more, on 3rd and long Graham stays in to “block” and released as a valve near LOS. FYI: this wasn’t because Bevell didn’t know how to use him, it was because Graham was a dumbass like Janis and didn’t know where to go.

Pontificating that facts are being manipulated is another logical fallacy [ad hominem], unless it can be explained. Here’s some more spot-on facts:

In ’14 Seattle was 8th at 43.27% in 3rd down efficiency. In 15’ they get Graham and drop to 19th at 38%. Graham misses last 5 games, they jump to 1st. Next 2 years, with Graham Seattle is poor at 15th and 20th. Same QB, same run-first offense [whatever the eff that means], same OC, in 2015, the exact same players and team gets better when Graham is out.

Originally Posted by: Barfarn 

You're grasping at straws on this one Barfan. The Packers pursued Robinson before Graham and likely wouldn't have signed Jimmy if Robinson agreed to terms. So no the Packers "street cred" didn't cause them to lose Robinson or any of the CBs they were rumored to be interested in. Besides Fuller who else did the Packers even make an offer on btw? If there were 20+ surely you have some names. Also if the Packers were overpaying why did the Bears match it?

I think Graham got overpaid by 2-3 million a year but so did alot of players, when you sign players on day 1 of free agency they're almost always overpaid. Considering we had no one at TE and the draft doesn't have alot of immediate starter possibilities I'm fine with the move.

Originally Posted by: isocleas2 

Anyone can take a handful of plays to “prove” that a player sucks, or that he’s the GREATEST player ever.
You could even do that with Jerry Rice. Or show the game film of Barry Sanders (sorry Kevin!) when the Packers held him to -1 yard in a game, to say he “sucked” as a running back.

To have to do that to somehow “prove” your superior intelligence over other posters here is lame in my view.

All you have is your opinion. It’s no more correct at this point then any other poster here. Only time will show if you are some psychic or not.

Originally Posted by: Cheesey