Browns Trade For Packers CB Damarious Randall· Page 5

sschind
Senior Member

7 years ago

Getting better draft positioning is always a good thing so I am totally on board with that.

Unfortunately, I really think d ran is a bit too dramatic for this team. I had warmed up to him as the season went on. Then after the season he said that the championship goes through green bay and I'm just like...take a step back man. He irks the heck out of me. I assume it gets tiring working with him.

Originally Posted by: DarkaneRules

I hate it when players have confidence..

Smokey
Veteran Member

7 years ago

#42

Having confidence in yourself is fine, but no Manager/Coach that I've ever known or heard of will put up with an employee mouthing off disrespectfully. That is what I suspect that Randall did and I'd get rid of such an employee as well. However in this case GB got something for him in return.

I agree with GB's new GM and support what he has done up to this point. It is not unusual for a new GM to purge and restock their team. [thumbup]

nerdmann
Premier Member Topic Starter

7 years ago

#43

Originally Posted by: Smokey

Let’s see what Gute has for us. He’s The Man now.

“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”

DarkaneRules
Veteran Member

7 years ago

#44

Confidence is fine but coming off a year where the team doesn't make the playoffs and you got benched maybe have some humility.

Circular Arguments: They are a heck of an annoyance

macbob
Veteran Member

7 years ago

#45

I'm going to wonder if Gute played less hard ball with Cleveland than he might have otherwise, with Dorsey, Wolf, Highsmith, and Greg Williams on the other end.

Smokey
Veteran Member

7 years ago

#46

I'm going to wonder if Gute played less hard ball with Cleveland than he might have otherwise, with Dorsey, Wolf, Highsmith, and Greg Williams on the other end.

Originally Posted by: macbob

IMO, GB moving up to get the 1st picks of the 4th and 5th rounds of the draft is a trade victory.

1st round - 14th pick
2nd round - 46th pick
3rd round - 78th pick
4th round - 97th pick (instead of the 110th pick)
5th round - 129th pick (instead of the 141st pick)

Plus all of GB's other accumulated draft picks.

😁

DarkaneRules
Veteran Member

7 years ago

#47

I've been surprised that almost no fans seem to be talking about the value in moving up to the positions they did. I think they're worried this will be another Casey Hayward situation. I get it but all reports seem to point to this being a different scenario than Hayward's. This wasn't about a numbers game. Something was going on behind the scenes and, for the sake of team unity and health, it should stay there.

Circular Arguments: They are a heck of an annoyance

beast
Select Member

7 years ago

#48

(no coach) will put up with an employee mouthing off disrespectfully. That is what I suspect that Randall did and I'd get rid of such an employee as well.

Originally Posted by: Smokey

I suspect Randall did more than just that... I'd be surprised if the vet players wanted to get rid of him just because he ran his mouth. Unless it was so bad that he was creating a poisonous atmosphere.

I feel like there is more to this story than we're going to hear.

I'm going to wonder if Gute played less hard ball with Cleveland than he might have otherwise, with Dorsey, Wolf, Highsmith, and Greg Williams on the other end.

Originally Posted by: macbob

Wolf and Highsmith probably knew that the team was interested in getting rid of Randall and that they really really like Kizer last draft. So it might not of been about hardball, but simply they already know your hand and desire and have the perfect offer and know where to stop.

Though I would of liked Cleveland to throw in another late round pick (say a 6th round pick in next year's draft)

Smokey
Veteran Member

7 years ago

#49

Randall is gone, and the past is spilled milk. GB got Kizer (QB) from the Browns + two improved draft picks.

I went to YouTube and was able to view Kizer's final game as the Brown's QB vs the Steelers. He showed a strong arm on some throws and poor accuracy on many others. With better coaching and better teammates, he might challenge Hundley for QB2.

TheKanataThrilla
Veteran Member

7 years ago

#50

With better coaching and better teammates, he might challenge Hundley for QB2.

Originally Posted by: Smokey

I'd be surprised if Hundley is around for training camp. I would think the goal would be to develop and eventually market Kizer for a trade at some point. No point putting him behind or competing with Hundley when the football world has already seen what Hundley has to offer. I don't think Kizer is the planned successor for Aaron as I am pretty sure Aaron still has quite a few more good years left. A new contract for Aaron will hopefully set out some type of timeline as it will probably be his last.

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