Cheesey
7 years ago
With Rodgers they have a shot at the playoffs. Without him, they are a below average team.
They NEED a decent defense, and a capable backup QB.
If they actually fill those needs, they have a shot at the super bowl.
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Zero2Cool
7 years ago

With Rodgers they have a shot at the playoffs. Without him, they are a below average team.
They NEED a decent defense, and a capable backup QB.
If they actually fill those needs, they have a shot at the super bowl.

Originally Posted by: Cheesey 


The defense really needs either a major superstar or a lot more assignment sure players on the roster. Preferably both. The offense can win games, even with a backup (not named Brett Hundley). I just don't think Brett has the decisiveness to be an effective winning QB in this league.


I don't dispute most of what you are saying but using Vegas as a source is as bad as saying a player is very good because he made the Pro Bowl. Vegas doesn't care a bit about the talent on a team. All they want is half the suckers betting for and half the suckers betting against a team so none of the money comes out of their pocket. It's a popularity vote the same as the Pro Bowl is. Granted a 0-16 team is going to have longer odds of winning the SB just like a guy who blows out his ACL ain't going to the PB.

Originally Posted by: wpr 



Vegas is usually pretty accurate. They don't want to lose money so if they are thinking the Packers are legitimate Super Bowl contenders, they most likely are. Vegas isn't in the game to lose money. The Pro Bowl analogy is poor because Pro Bowl is voted based on popularity, rarely is it skill. Fans get to vote favorites, over and over and over again. Vegas doesn't go "hey i grew up watching Lombardi or play at same college, so I'm going to say Packers are x to y odds for Super Bowl!" ... completely absolutely different measurements.

Using Vegas a sole source, well, we all know never to use only one source for anything, ahem, Ron Borges. 
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Smokey
7 years ago
This thread is titled to be about Free Agents, Packer's and non-Packer's.

I don't know who the Free Agents are, does anyone ?

I'd like to read facts, player list, suggested trades. Drop X and add Y who ?

Trade Matthews for a Pro Bowl CB.

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Rockmolder
7 years ago

This thread is titled to be about Free Agents, Packer's and non-Packer's.

I don't know who the Free Agents are, does anyone ?

Originally Posted by: Smokey 



Here are a couple of good lists, depending on what you're looking for.  There are some guys on there who are very likely to be retained by their own teams, though.

I'd like to read facts, player list, suggested trades. Drop X and add Y who ?

Trade Matthews for a Pro Bowl CB.



I can't imagine someone giving up a Pro Bowl CB for a declining OLB who's in his last year of a contract that pays him way too much for his current play.

Then again, I was also pretty certain that a game manager QB wasn't worth a promising and young nickel corner and a 3rd round pick, so what do I really know.
gbguy20
7 years ago
Are we sure that cap space total is correct? I could have sworn that is what we started the 2017 season with. Now that that is over much space should have opened up from expiring contracts. Or did everyone's raises for 2018 completely counteract all the space freed up from the expiring?
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7 years ago

Are we sure that cap space total is correct? I could have sworn that is what we started the 2017 season with. Now that that is over much space should have opened up from expiring contracts. Or did everyone's raises for 2018 completely counteract all the space freed up from the expiring?

Originally Posted by: gbguy20 



I can't say whether the number is correct or not. I thought they had a lot of room.
Spotrac  has it at $19,257,978 for the top 51. $12,650,109 after the projected draft pool is allocated.
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Smokey
7 years ago
I'm glad that GB has responsible employees that are aware of the team's finances. It is comforting that professionals are on the payroll that know about salaries, bonuses, and the Cap. The Packers don't have to depend on what is posted in forums, blogs, or chat rooms.

Some players from the 2017 GB roster may not be invited back, could be traded, or they will be out played for another spot on the GB roster. I'm excited and hopeful for the 2018 Packers and I will be cautiously optimistic regarding their future.


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Zero2Cool
7 years ago

I'm glad that GB has responsible employees that are aware of the team's finances. It is comforting that professionals are on the payroll that know about salaries, bonuses, and the Cap. The Packers don't have to depend on what is posted in forums, blogs, or chat rooms.

Originally Posted by: Smokey 



Wait, what? What the heck is the point of forums, blogs and chat rooms if the Green Bay Packers are not going to follow our armchair uneducated over-arrogant analysis????!!! My world doesn't make sense anymore!!



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7 years ago

I'm glad that GB has responsible employees that are aware of the team's finances. It is comforting that professionals are on the payroll that know about salaries, bonuses, and the Cap. The Packers don't have to depend on what is posted in forums, blogs, or chat rooms.

Some players from the 2017 GB roster may not be invited back, could be traded, or they will be out played for another spot on the GB roster. I'm excited and hopeful for the 2018 Packers and I will be cautiously optimistic regarding their future.


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Originally Posted by: Smokey 



If it's true that GB only has $19 mil or so and they are 23rd out of 32 teams then I don't believe you can say that they have acted responsibly. Especially when that number drops to around $12 mil after the new rookies are signed. That doesn't leave much room for the veterans that they need to re-sign. I am not an expert but they are a very short step from being in Cap Hell.

It appears they will have to cut and or restructure the contracts of some pretty big names in order to move forward.
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warhawk
7 years ago

If it's true that GB only has $19 mil or so and they are 23rd out of 32 teams then I don't believe you can say that they have acted responsibly. Especially when that number drops to around $12 mil after the new rookies are signed. That doesn't leave much room for the veterans that they need to re-sign. I am not an expert but they are a very short step from being in Cap Hell.

It appears they will have to cut and or restructure the contracts of some pretty big names in order to move forward.

Originally Posted by: wpr 



All true, however, your last statement says it all. The final numbers have not been determined until after final decisions on players . The very obvious candidates for cuts/renegotiation are Clay, Cobb, and Jordy.

If all three were to be cut it would add back about $25 mil to the cap. That probably won't happen.
I believe Jordy and Clay understand at this stage of their careers adjustments are due and justified as well.
I can certainly see where Cobb might well be headed out. He would be the easiest to replace with Montgomery and others.
The other player that is interesting is Ha Ha. There is 0 cap hit on his $6 mil salary. I mention this because he is really the only other player where significant cap numbers can be adjusted. Hey, they cut an All Pro guard out of the blue last year so who's to know?

What I'm saying is at least the Packers have options and flexibility depending on how all this shakes out so I'm not in judgement regarding the cap until it it does. I love me some Jordy and Clay. True Packer warriors but Father Time holds no prisoners.




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