nerdmann
7 years ago

Back to the topic here. We all agree, the Packers could have done better at building the roster. If not, let's just say we do for sake of argument.

What if this season is an eye opener to the staff and they are more aggressive at filling holes and building depth? They still use the draft primarily, but add in free agents here and there to round out the depth? Primary example, the back up QB can't cut it so they bring in a veteran who can?

Those who hate the regime, those who want, err DEMAND change ... if this were to happen, would you be able to root for the Packers to win then?

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



The Packers went "ALL IN" this year. Remember that?

So far, it's paid off. They're better than they were last year at this time!
“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”
Barfarn
7 years ago

#Rich #Irony

There's not a person on this planet of reasonable capacity that wasn't taught something and or believes something. I've seen hate, and lots of it, flow through you, B. Speaking to civility? Well...

I would find it hard to disagree with the idea that it's more beneficial this team loses every single game and experiences major change vs. winning a few more and finishing around 8-8 and keeping the status quo.

Who wants this team to lose? I don't think there's anybody. If I could have it my way, Hundley would be better than Rodgers and we'd roll to a SB win this season. That doesn't look very likely and I already believed in my heart of hearts we had no chance even with 12 and needed changes, so, for me, I'll be more than happy to see us tank while wishing it didn't have to be that way.

I've said this, previously, but I think 5 years or so from now there will be an entire mass of people who will all of a sudden start espousing the very same viewpoints they're panning here today. It happened with Favre, and the type of guy he really was, and it will happen with this regime when everyone has the ability to really look back and not be "in the moment". Only then, like with Favre, will we see what some of us already post about. While not as dramatic, as the old, "wrong side of history" refrain, you will surely be on the wrong side of Packers history for whatever that is worth.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 



I am not you! 😂

You set forth an argument that I’m hating; but you don’t support it. Instead you purport to support this by you launch a direct personal attack [ad hominem logic fallacy]. This method is not intellectually honest, lacks all scholarship, its irrational…it is the way a young spitefully minded child makes their points. Have I ever flagged kiddy crap like this? NEVER, I am a rapid fan of unfettered open debate.

As ALWAYS, I’ll either ignore the attack or if knowledge can be advanced, I’ll respond to an attack by addressing the argument made with civility and scholarship.

Here your petulant emotional childish argument is exposed for its rational weaknesses, not with “hate.” Maybe it embarrasses; perhaps it should 😂. But, know transposing your feelings of embarrassment because of the childish crap that YOU wrote into an expression of my “hate” is futile. EG. I may present the solid argument that shows Trump is a war criminal targeting civilians in Syria and Iraq and confederating with Saudis in Yemani genocide [See 60 minutes last week]. Surely, Trump would see my argument and the broadcast as hate; but that doesn’t make it so; it’s simply a scholarly judgment that he thinks reflects badly on him. If he doesn’t like it, he needs to quit growing more generations of terrorists and stop it. If he started doing these things to Canada, soon we’d be talking about Canadian terrorist threats.

Likewise, if I’m tearing down your arguments in a way that you feel is "hate [to use your word];" maybe, just maybe, your focus should be inward reflection on who you are and what you are portraying yourself to be. If you say something positive, I’ll never hold a previous childish idea you’ve had against a good one. Again, using your word “hate”, I might “hate” on your argument; but I don’t hate on you at all.

That said; sure tanking the season gives us a better pick; but it also means we have a bunch of players that agreed to not take pride in winning and playing as good as they can. So we theoretically get a 2-3 slightly better players by injecting cancer directly into the team’s life’s blood. This is a perfect paradigm of the cure being infinitely worse than the disease. I want players that will fight to the end.

And it won’t change a thing. The Board is made up of businessmen that think like businessmen. They don’t go batshit crazy because the team lost a few. They see good as the enemy of bad, while striving for perfection. They understand that in a downtime the wrong changes can make things A HELLEVA LOT worse. They are the opposite of some childish impetuous owner that plays with his team, like a boy coming into puberty plays with his wanger. McCarthy will be here for a LONGGGGGGGGGG time if he wants. And they love a person with Ted’s stable unemotional style! Schneider will NEVER be GM.
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dfosterf (16-Apr) : Nobody coming up with a keep, but at x amount
dfosterf (16-Apr) : Trade, cut or keep
dfosterf (16-Apr) : that from Jaire
dfosterf (16-Apr) : My guess is the Packers floated the concept of a reworked contract via his agent and agent got a f'
Zero2Cool (16-Apr) : Yes, and that is why I think Rob worded it how he did. Rather than say "agent"
dfosterf (16-Apr) : Same laws apply. Agent must present such an offer to Jaire. Cannot accept or reject without presenting it
Zero2Cool (16-Apr) : I'm thinking that is why Rob worded it how he did.
dfosterf (16-Apr) : The Packers can certainly still make the offer to the agent
dfosterf (16-Apr) : Laws of agency and definition of fiduciary responsibility
dfosterf (16-Apr) : Jaire is open to a reduced contract without Jaire's permission
dfosterf (16-Apr) : The agent would arguably violate the law if he were to tell the Packers
Zero2Cool (16-Apr) : That someone ... likely the agent.
Zero2Cool (16-Apr) : So, Jaire has not been offered nor rejected a pay reduction, but someone says he'd decline.
Zero2Cool (16-Apr) : Demovksy says t was direct communication with someone familiar with Jaire’s line of thinking at that moment.
Zero2Cool (16-Apr) : Demovsky just replied to me a bit ago. Jaire hasn't said it.
dfosterf (16-Apr) : Of course, that depends on the definition of "we"
dfosterf (16-Apr) : We have been told that they haven't because he wouldn't accept it. I submit we don't know that
dfosterf (16-Apr) : What is the downside in making a calculated reduced offer to Jaire?
Zero2Cool (15-Apr) : Packers are receiving interest in Jaire Alexander but a trade is not imminent
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Zero2Cool (14-Apr) : I think a dozen is what I need
dfosterf (14-Apr) : Go fund me for this purpose just might work. A dozen nurses show up at 1265 to provide mental health assistance.
dfosterf (14-Apr) : Maybe send a crew of Angels to the Packers draft room on draft day.
Zero2Cool (14-Apr) : I am the Angel that gets visited.
dfosterf (14-Apr) : Visiting Angels has a pretty good reputation
Zero2Cool (14-Apr) : what
Martha Careful (14-Apr) : WINNING IT, not someone else losing it. The best victory though was re-uniting with his wife
Martha Careful (14-Apr) : The manner in which he won it was just amazing and wonderful. First blowing the lead then getting back, then blowing it. But ultimately
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Zero2Cool (9-Apr) : Van Ness played most of season with broken thumb
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