nerdmann
7 years ago

Can I please get you on the record as saying "If Rodgers got rid of the ball 0.07 seconds earlier on average I would stop complaining about Rodgers not getting the ball out fast enough, as he'd be faster than most starters in the league at getting the ball out"? Or at least quantify what "getting the ball out" an acceptable rate actually means? I mean, it's easy taking a position that doesn't need to be beholden to real-world, measurable stimulti or to be able to throw our random tidbits like "it's well known that..." that aren't verifiable or quantifiable.

Originally Posted by: Porforis 



A few years ago, Mike wanted him to get it out in under 2.5, iirc.
“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”
beast
7 years ago

It's well known that Rodgers holds on to the ball longer than most. They discuss it on pregame shows as being "his game."

Here's another issue. How does Aaron's habit of holding the ball impact our OL? Wasn't Bakhtiari hurt when he fell and almost did the splits? Help these guys out man. Get the ball out.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



Most years that is true... but I think due the OL being injury, Rodgers has changed his game and is getting the ball out much quicker for the most part this year.
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Nonstopdrivel
7 years ago

how highly flawed almost every team is.

Originally Posted by: Porforis 



It's quite possible that there are simply too many teams in the league, and that the product on the field would be improved with some contraction. Offensive line play in particular seems subpar leaguewide. I'm not sure what the ideal number of teams would be, but it's probably a moot point anyway. I think we can all be confident that contraction won't be coming to the NFL any time soon.
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beast
7 years ago

It's quite possible that there are simply too many teams in the league, and that the product on the field would be improved with some contraction. Offensive line play in particular seems subpar leaguewide. I'm not sure what the ideal number of teams would be, but it's probably a moot point anyway. I think we can all be confident that contraction won't be coming to the NFL any time soon.

Originally Posted by: Nonstopdrivel 



You have a point, but I'm not sure it's too many teams, or not enough coaching / training time.

In college a lot of teams are going to spread systems where offense lines are normally limited in what they're being asked to do, because they're expected to get the ball away quicker... and a lot of the pro systems are running teams. How many pro-set pass happy college teams are there out there?

Now with the New CBA, NFL practices are limited... making it harder to develop guys now then it used to be. I think this is where the problem is... young players need more development time and they aren't getting it.

The NFL really could use more practice time or a development league.
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PackFanWithTwins
7 years ago
What is worse is when the team lose then have fans shitting themselves over it.

Most teams will end up losing when they lose the starting all-pro QB early in the game and have to switch to backup. Then compound that with ending up with 3/5th of the Oline being backups or backups of backups. I am fairly pleased with the defense, they were put on the field with short fields more than a few times and held pretty well while also turning MN over putting our offense in position to score. Will see how the coaches are able to adjust to a different QB and how he will play when has a full week of preparation and snaps.
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Cheesey
7 years ago
Well, he hates Aaron Rodgers, so he has his "dream" now, of having Hundley in there.
I wonder how long it will take him to hate him?
Some of the "fans" here would have KILLED themselves if they had to live through the 1970's and 1980's like I did.

If you think the team sucks so much, go be a fan of some other team.
Between all the teams in our division, there are 5 total Super Bowl trophies.
We have 4, the Bears one, and none for the Vikings and Lions.
But WE shit ourselves.
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7 years ago

It's quite possible that there are simply too many teams in the league, and that the product on the field would be improved with some contraction. Offensive line play in particular seems subpar leaguewide. I'm not sure what the ideal number of teams would be, but it's probably a moot point anyway. I think we can all be confident that contraction won't be coming to the NFL any time soon.

Originally Posted by: Nonstopdrivel 



There are fewer kids getting into the pipeline to begin the process. That doesn't help the overall quality at the NFL level either.
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nerdmann
7 years ago

Well, he hates Aaron Rodgers, so he has his "dream" now, of having Hundley in there.
I wonder how long it will take him to hate him?
Some of the "fans" here would have KILLED themselves if they had to live through the 1970's and 1980's like I did.

If you think the team sucks so much, go be a fan of some other team.
Between all the teams in our division, there are 5 total Super Bowl trophies.
We have 4, the Bears one, and none for the Vikings and Lions.
But WE shit ourselves.

Originally Posted by: Cheesey 



I did live through the 70s and 80s.

No idea wtf you are talking about. This team looks sloppy and unprepared, regularly, even when they still win. Now our margin of error has decreased, suddenly we're supposed stop being sloppy? You do things the right way, all thhe time. Not just when you lose Aaron Rodgers.


“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”
Porforis
7 years ago

A few years ago, Mike wanted him to get it out in under 2.5, iirc.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



Fine, 0.17 seconds faster on average.

Fun fact: only 4 QBs this year have averaged under 2.5. Brian Hoyer, Andy Dalton, Jay Cutler, and Derek Carr. Their teams are 0-6, 2-3, 3-2, and 2-4 respectively with the 20th, 18th, 32nd, and 26th ranked passing offenses. So if that's the sort of offense you'd be happy with... Well, that's what you're going to get for the rest of the year with your Super Bowl MVP Brett Huntley.

Bottom line: There is not a strong correlation between how long you hold onto the ball and offensive success. Those that are at the extreme low end of the spectrum tend to have non-effective offenses. The assertion that Rodgers holds onto the ball a meaningful amount more than other NFL quarterbacks is not rooted in reality, nor is the idea that doing so sabotages the team's success.
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7 years ago

Fine, 0.17 seconds faster on average.

Fun fact: only 4 QBs this year have averaged under 2.5. Brian Hoyer, Andy Dalton, Jay Cutler, and Derek Carr. Their teams are 0-6, 2-3, 3-2, and 2-4 respectively with the 20th, 18th, 32nd, and 26th ranked passing offenses. So if that's the sort of offense you'd be happy with... Well, that's what you're going to get for the rest of the year with your Super Bowl MVP Brett Huntley.

Bottom line: There is not a strong correlation between how long you hold onto the ball and offensive success. Those that are at the extreme low end of the spectrum tend to have non-effective offenses. The assertion that Rodgers holds onto the ball a meaningful amount more than other NFL quarterbacks is not rooted in reality, nor is the idea that doing so sabotages the team's success.

Originally Posted by: Porforis 



The longer the QB can hold on to the ball the greater the odds are that one of his receivers gets open.

Short quick passes will I inevitably bring the coverage in closer and make it more difficult to complete a pass. Those that are completed will be for little yards.
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