Assuming you know what 'the offense' is, suggesting that taking a 80% chance at a 2 yard completion vs a 60% chance at a 10+ yard completion or that you know what the correct progression on a play is most definitely isn't 'executing the offense'. It's armchair quarterbacking and if the same standards were applied to every quarterback in the league, you'd be complaining about every single one just as much or as more.

Originally Posted by: Porforis 

I wouldn't be shocked if people blame Rodgers for Huntley not getting the ball out and throwing to the open receivers. I mean, Huntley clearly had an average of 2.5-3 seconds even though he was getting blitzed like crazy, surely he should have been able to see the receivers open? Clearly it's Rodgers' bad influence that is preventing this from occurring. After all, we should have traded Rodgers and started Huntley for an almost guaranteed super bowl berth.

Originally Posted by: Porforis 

So what you're saying is that if he doesn't hold the ball for as long he won't be as much of a stat whore. But we'll still complain about him not throwing to "the open guy" and playing sandlot football.

Originally Posted by: Porforis 

Assuming you know what 'the offense' is, suggesting that taking a 80% chance at a 2 yard completion vs a 60% chance at a 10+ yard completion or that you know what the correct progression on a play is most definitely isn't 'executing the offense'. It's armchair quarterbacking and if the same standards were applied to every quarterback in the league, you'd be complaining about every single one just as much or as more.

Originally Posted by: Porforis 

The knowledge one person has of the game does not foist that limit on everyone else.

It is not 2 or 10+. If one takes a pencil and paper and EMPIRICALLY counts the 1-2-3-4-5 routes run on each play and charts their length, it will be obvious only a small minority of routes are of the 2 yard variety. Most routes run will go for 5-7 plus YAC. And most 2 yard outs part of a larger game plan to hit a big play. Like Cobb and Nelson crossed at 2 yards and a few plays later faked the cross fro TD; or Bennett who ran a few 2 yard outs and then ran a 30 yard wheel off another.

If one assumes the receivers are running the correct, one can make an educated guess as to the progression You see Nelson run a 5 yard drag; Cobb run a 25 yard dig, we know for certain Nelson's read is before Cobb's. If we see Cobb left and Nelson right run a 5 yard drags and see the right OL opening a lane and left side blocking straight up; you know Nelson is read #1 and Cobb is either not in progression or his secondary move is the 2nd or 3rd read. If you take the time to break down every route, identify the assignment of the OLmen, you can see it come together too. Also, if you watch enough football and analysis of plays of those who do know; you'll see that very rarely is there all long routes. 90+% of the plays have a combo of shorter and longer routes, hot recievers on blitzs, etc. Now if you see 2 guys running short routes and 2 guys going deep, we dont need to be brain surgeons know which routes are the first reads, right?

So if all the short routs are open and the QB throws deep, the QB skipped the progression, right?

BTW, this is what defensive coordinators do, right? I mean they dont know the progressions, right? But, they can be damn good at figuring it out. To say, GB dont publish the reads, therefore no one can know what GB is doing is just absurdity at the highest level.

Can one know all he plays all the time? No, but the aforementioned is not armchair QBing, its just that some fans/defensive coordinators know or than others.

Originally Posted by: Barfarn 

Because most QBs pass up open guys to throw deep? I want my team to adhere to fundamentals, that's mainly what i bitch about. BUt whatever.

Mainly sick of these injuries.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 

I'm mainly sick of having to re-re-re-re-re debunk these kneejerk "well it just FEELS like he..." observations about Rodgers that are objectively false. Year after year (with one or two exceptions) Rodgers is between #8 and #16 in deep passing (as defined by the ball traveling more than 20 yards in the air) attempts in the NFL, and is consistently one of the most accurate deep passers . And when you consider Rodgers being near tops in the league every year in completion percentage and has the same number of yards per attempt in his career as Russell Wilson, Tony Romo, Ben Roethlisberger, and a grant total of 0.2 yards per attempt more than Kirk Cousins and Philip Rivers and Peyton Manning , I can't think of any possible way one can claim that Aaron Rodgers chucks it deep more than any other team with a top 10 QB.

But, you haven't listened before, and I doubt you'll listen or care now or let reality otherwise get in the way of what you've already decided. He could be last in the league in deep passing attempts and first in the league in getting the ball out quickly and you'd still complain that he's not throwing it to 'the open man', playing sandlot football, etc etc etc.

Originally Posted by: Porforis 

Only if he actually was.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 

Only if he actually was what? Would you care to provide any sort of measurable statistics to back up your assertions?

Originally Posted by: Porforis