GB's BEST DEFENSIVE PLAYER IS ... ·

Smokey
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7 years ago

In my opinion , GB's best and most valuable defensive player is Ha Ha Clinton-Dix .

Mike Daniels and/or Morgan Burnett , are in my opinion , almost as valuable . Clinton-Dix's speed, aggressiveness, physical abilities, and quick thinking make him an asset rushing a QB or tackling a RB or dropping back to defend a WR .

WHAT SAY YOU ?

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gbguy20
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Haha is incredibly overrated by our fan base. Incredibly. I'd say Daniels has to be the best on our D, which speaks volumes about how we desperately need a star to emerge on our D.

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TheKanataThrilla
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7 years ago

I really like the effort and on the field leadership that Daniels gives and I would likely give the nod to him.

Haha is getting there, I am hoping he doesn't have to spend this season bailing out the CBs as much as it appears he did last year. He may never be Nick Collins, but if he is 90% I can certainly live with that. We really have to get him under contract long term sooner rather than later.

Tezzy
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7 years ago

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Originally Posted by: Smokey

I don't know if I put Clinton-Dix above Burnett yet in the secondary, yet I see the trend is there to be sooner than later. Losing either player would be painful for the defense.

Haha is incredibly overrated by our fan base. Incredibly. I'd say Daniels has to be the best on our D, which speaks volumes about how we desperately need a star to emerge on our D.

Originally Posted by: gbguy20

The last two seasons have completely washed out the bad taste of his rookie season. Coverage, tackling, and ball skills. I'll take those overrated skills every weekend.

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Smokey
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Yes, M. Daniels is GB's best Defensive Lineman /Pass Rusher IMO. His value is not to be denied .
However, as for the "BIG" picture, Clinton-Dix is more versatile and (if injured (god forbid)) would be harder to replace . His Pro-Bowl quality talent has steadily developed over time and I expect him to make it to the Pro-Bowl again this year (provided that GB is not winning the SB !) .

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7 years ago

Usually the bigger the body the harder it is to replace, after all the good lord only made so many 300 pound men who can still run a 5 second 40 yard dash.

Daniels, Perry, Mathews, Clinton-Dix and Burnett all have legit cases that could be made for them but I'd still take Daniels as the MVP. I might even take a healthy Perry over the rest of them while we're at. I trust our safety depth alot more than the rest of the positions on defense.

nerdmann
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7 years ago

It's not Clay anymore, until he proves otherwise. Nick could be in the conversarion too. We shall see.

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beast
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7 years ago

It depends on how you define best...

But Daniels and Haha were the top 2 in my mind currently...

Haha had a down year as he was trying to do too much to help the CAB which man him over aggressive last year, but two years ago he might of been the MVDP for the Packers.

But got to give the edge to Daniels.

As for Burnett, he's more veterans and has been more versatile, but he couldn't play FS well and Haha has done a better job, and Burnett not being more aggressive as a LB lead to Barbre coming off Burnett and nailing/injuring Matthews... so Burnett is very versatile but I don't think he's yet mastered other positions... he's a jack of all trades but only the king of one or two (SS/nickel CB).

uffda udfa
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7 years ago

Mike Daniels...and he's no superstar. If Ha Ha is our 2nd best, it's little wonder we're so terrible on defense.

Matthews is a very close 2nd, followed by Perry. Hopeful that Clark and Lowry can challenge Daniels but Josh Jones might be our best hope with his measurables and desire to destroy.

Ted Thompson sits on his hands per former GM: "because they’ve had 25 fricking years of great quarterbacks. Of course it works. Try it without a special quarterback."

steveishere
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7 years ago

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Mike Daniels. He's still underrated. He would be thought of more highly around the league if this team played him more on 3rd downs. The amount of pressure he gets while playing primarily 1st and 2nd down is crazy and I don't think some really appreciate what he does.

After him I'd go Perry then Haha

Zero2Cool
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7 years ago

#11

Easy.

Aaron Rodgers.

Smokey
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Easy.

Aaron Rodgers.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool

I've never seen Aaron Rodgers play with the Defense , did I miss something Zero or did you ?

Zero2Cool
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I've never seen Aaron Rodgers play with the Defense , did I miss something Zero or did you ?

Originally Posted by: Smokey

He plays inside linebacker during practices, for fun.

Aaron Rodgers is the best defensive player. He puts up points on the board and that makes the opposing offenses one dimensional and that is far more than anything any Packers defender by position does. 😂

Smokey
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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool

That is a fine way to look at things , but this thread is about players who play Defense for the Packers . In addition , fine philosophies don't defend a WR like Julio Jones or tackle a RB like Le'Veon Bell . Cute remarks don't possess the strength of a Mike Daniels to push past an opposing OL to rush/sack a QB like Drew Brees .

Zero, you and others will one day come to accept the truth that says, Offense wins football games, but Defense wins football championships .

Zero2Cool
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Zero, you and others will one day come to accept the truth that says, Offense wins football games, but Defense wins football championships .

Originally Posted by: Smokey

What basis do you have to presume I have not? I mean, do you read anything I say or just presume to grab a clip and surmise a theory and act as if its gospel?

If I'm told I get a team and only offense or defense is dominate, I would take dominate defense. The rules favor offense so I feel scoring is more attainable than stopping scoring.

As per your topic inquiry -- Ha'Sean Clinton-Dix is the biggest playmaker we have on defense. When I read some saying "fans overvalue" Clinton-Dix, I wonder if they are even watching the All 22 of the Packers or notice other teams. Get your nose into the details, the guy is a stud. It's OK to say a Packers player is a stud even if you're a Packers fan. It doesn't mean you're green and gold goggles folks. R-E-L-A-X

uffda udfa
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https://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/stats/passes-defended/2016/

The idea that he's our best is representative of why most can't see just how bad our D is. If he's that great in some eyes it's no wonder our D is not looked at for as bad as it really is.

Ha ha is above average. I'm not sure he's better than Burnett and Morgan isn't much.

We get thrown on a ton because it's easy to do. Burnett and Dix are looked at wrongly by fans and rightly by Dcoords. Nobody fears our safeties. U can throw on us all day especially in the middle of the field. Might be nice players for run support but not some great players defending backend.

Ted Thompson sits on his hands per former GM: "because they’ve had 25 fricking years of great quarterbacks. Of course it works. Try it without a special quarterback."

Smokey
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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool

If this is not your position , then why did you post it . My position was clearly stated in the threads #1 post and expanded to address your remarks . Additionally, I'm not responsible for remembering every post that you wright . I don't research your past 30 to 40 postings before I comment upon your latest position . I do think that at times you do try to upset the flow of a thread just to see if you can .

I can agree to disagree with a differing point of view from my own , but deliberately spinning another post to fit some personal grievance is not a part of my overall makeup .

Zero2Cool
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Originally Posted by: Smokey

I'm gonna tell you again. Read posts to understand, don't read them to reply. You'll be amazed how much more fun it is to engaging in discussions and loads less annoying.

I answered how I wanted to answer. I feel Aaron Rodgers is the best asset to the defense. And I also offered up a positional player on defense. Focus on the topic, not trying to personally attack me, again. I don't like it. I don't need it. Be great.

Smokey
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Personal attacks and left handed comments are your specialty Zero. When you can't defend a position, well ... It's not hard to picture you living in tiny Green Bay , Wisconsin and believing that because you watch the News that you fully understand the South or the West or anything else beyond the mostly White community that you live in . I personally know others that live in that area and they are good people . You Zero remind me of that one guy that most of us have known all of our lives and would gladly accept the anonymous opportunity to plant a 2 X 4 on his face as he arrogantly swaggered around a corner .

gbguy20
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