Porforis
8 years ago

Is Goode bad? Or is Goode gooder???😝

Originally Posted by: Cheesey 



I think he's a bit of a Goode two-shoes.
Cheesey
8 years ago

I think he's a bit of a Goode two-shoes.

Originally Posted by: Porforis 



Oh....kind of a "Johnny Be GOODE"????😝
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nerdmann
8 years ago

Is Goode bad? Or is Goode gooder???😝

Originally Posted by: Cheesey 



Dude gets pushed back after the snap and can't get downfield to cover kicks. But he does get the snap perfect everytime and even can make the laces line up however the kicker wants them.

If they go wih Goode, Janis has a better shot to make the team, because they'll need gunners. Any word on Demetri Goodson?
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8 years ago

Dude gets pushed back after the snap and can't get downfield to cover kicks. But he does get the snap perfect everytime and even can make the laces line up however the kicker wants them.

If they go wih Goode, Janis has a better shot to make the team, because they'll need gunners. Any word on Demetri Goodson?

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



Seems like you're taking that straight from Michael Rodney's article... But think about something, the NFL doesn't allow people to straight up rush LSer, so why is the LS getting pushed back? ... because it's not so much being pushed back as the Punt OL seems to be taught to hop back a bit and tighten up and help each other, more than they're being pushed straight back. But the LS is the furthest out, so he has drop back more than the others to make the line even. So yes Goode goes backwards at first... but it seems to be by play design.

You can really see it at 4:16 of this video, where the Punt OL is retreating back before the rush even gets to them.





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nerdmann
8 years ago

Seems like you're taking that straight from Michael Rodney's article... But think about something, the NFL doesn't allow people to straight up rush LSer, so why is the LS getting pushed back? ... because it's not so much being pushed back as the Punt OL seems to be taught to hop back a bit and tighten up and help each other, more than they're being pushed straight back. But the LS is the furthest out, so he has drop back more than the others to make the line even. So yes Goode goes backwards at first... but it seems to be by play design.

You can really see it at 4:16 of this video, where the Punt OL is retreating back before the rush even gets to them.




Originally Posted by: beast 



It's been commented on in a number of podcasts as well. Goode doesn't get downfield very well, and he's 32 now. It's one of those things where they'll try to replace him every year. If they new guy can get the ball delivered, we can cut Janis for someone who can actually contribute.
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8 years ago

Goode doesn't get downfield very well, and he's 32 now. It's one of those things where they'll try to replace him every year. If they new guy can get the ball delivered, we can cut Janis for someone who can actually contribute.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



So if the LS can run better than the Packers no longer need a good gunner? That makes no sense... it's like saying if the Center can pass block better than we don't need as good of a WR.

The best ST Gunner are important to a ST unit no matter if a LS can run or not.


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nerdmann
8 years ago

So if the LS can run better than the Packers no longer need a good gunner? That makes no sense... it's like saying if the Center can pass block better than we don't need as good of a WR.

The best ST Gunner are important to a ST unit no matter if a LS can run or not.

Originally Posted by: beast 



If you can't have two coverage guys, you need one that's extra good.
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8 years ago

If you can't have two coverage guys, you need one that's extra good.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



If the positions were equals as "coverage guys" responsibility, then that might make sense. But the positions responsibility in their coverage roles are on opposite ends... and LS responsible for snapping and blocking both come before his role of coverage person.

Those gunners being extra good can't be made up by a single guy on the going from below average to average.... because the guys on the lines have to wait until the ball is punted before they're allowed to leave, so they're not going to get many early first crack on tackles like gunners will.

Also how good in coverage is the average LS? ... probably not that good... I much rather be extra good at LS and gunners than the LS is in coverage, because if he's always making the tackles then the punt coverage team probably sucks.
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nerdmann
8 years ago

If the positions were equals as "coverage guys" responsibility, then that might make sense. But the positions responsibility in their coverage roles are on opposite ends... and LS responsible for snapping and blocking both come before his role of coverage person.

Those gunners being extra good can't be made up by a single guy on the going from below average to average.... because the guys on the lines have to wait until the ball is punted before they're allowed to leave, so they're not going to get many early first crack on tackles like gunners will.

Also how good in coverage is the average LS? ... probably not that good... I much rather be extra good at LS and gunners than the LS is in coverage, because if he's always making the tackles then the punt coverage team probably sucks.

Originally Posted by: beast 



Well, the new LS can make his way down the field. 🤣

Perhaps you're right, and they'll finally shitcan Janis.
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8 years ago

If the positions were equals as "coverage guys" responsibility, then that might make sense. But the positions responsibility in their coverage roles are on opposite ends... and LS responsible for snapping and blocking both come before his role of coverage person.

Those gunners being extra good can't be made up by a single guy on the going from below average to average.... because the guys on the lines have to wait until the ball is punted before they're allowed to leave, so they're not going to get many early first crack on tackles like gunners will.

Also how good in coverage is the average LS? ... probably not that good... I much rather be extra good at LS and gunners than the LS is in coverage, because if he's always making the tackles then the punt coverage team probably sucks.

Originally Posted by: beast 



I like what you have been saying beast. LS and gunners don't compare. The whole OL drops back to block and none of them can leave early.

That said, a few years ago Good or whoever the LS was made a few tackles. He wasn't blocked and ran down the middle of the field untouched. Gunners we're being doubled up on both sides so there were coverage guys who weren't defended. It wasn't just one game. It happened frequently.

Perhaps ST coaches adjusted in the past couple of years.

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