PackFanWithTwins
8 years ago
In a somewhat rare unanimous decision 8-0 (Gorsuch didn't participate), the supreme court ruled that "derogatory" trademarks are protected by the first amendment. Will likely see the trademark for the Redskins reinstated.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/06/19/supreme-court-upholds-offensive-trademarks-form-free-speech/100618478/ 
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Smokey
8 years ago
Many Redskins fans will or should be glad about this decision. I've known many of their fans for years and many have collected jerseys/hats/ mugs/ etc. over many decades .
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Cheesey
8 years ago
They could call them "The Washington Honkies" and I wouldn't have a problem with it.
Too much "political correctness" if you ask me.
If you get so upset over a sports team name, you have too much time on your hands.
How about taking all that pent up anger and go after something that really needs to change? Like the rampant shootings by criminals? Or abortion?
Just my opinion of course. So you don't need to jump on me for it.
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Smokey
8 years ago

They could call them "The Washington Honkies" and I wouldn't have a problem with it.
Too much "political correctness" if you ask me.
If you get so upset over a sports team name, you have too much time on your hands.
How about taking all that pent up anger and go after something that really needs to change? Like the rampant shootings by criminals? Or abortion?
Just my opinion of course. So you don't need to jump on me for it.

Originally Posted by: Cheesey 



Your opinions are as valid as anyone's .

As for Washington's name , the hard part to changing it is , what to change it to . Many of the best names have already been taken . The city's MLB team chose a name that keeps them neutral with "Nationals" as did the NHL team the "Capitals" . Their NBA team was the "Bullets" , but was not Socially correct so they changed to the "Wizards" . To change from "Redskins" to another name , it's been in conversations for years with no clear name leading the list .

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beast
8 years ago

If you get so upset over a sports team name, you have too much time on your hands.

Originally Posted by: Cheesey 


My biggest problem in all of this, is that this really wasn't about the name... because the leader of this moment has openly admit she plans to go after the Chiefs and other sports teams with Native American mascots after they won their case against the Redskins.

She didn't say this outright, but others Native Americans have and she seemed to fall into the same group, that some of them find the use of Native American mascot demeaning and disgraceful, as they think mascots are for animals and sub-human, which is something Native Americans have been trying to be seen as equals since the Europeans started taking over.

The leader of the anti-Redskins say that, but she was pretty clear in saying she thought the Chiefs fans were disgracing their religion by using chiefs headdress... and hinted that this (like the Redskins' name) could also be racist. Others have outright said it's

It's only a matter of time until the Kansas City Chiefs face a challenge on their racist use of caricature like the so many other pro-sports teams currently under siege .

tonyskansascity.com  wrote:


So, really this isn't just about a name... it's about Native Americans feel like sports teams using Native American theme/mascots are being racist... and just using the most clear and most offensive one to build sympathy, support and knock over the first domino (hoping the others would fall shorting after) So I feel like I'm being mislead, when they say this is about the "Redskins" name, because I feel like, that's just the tip of their iceberg and they're trying to hide the rest.

A picture of the Chiefs using the chiefs headdress
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beast
8 years ago

As for Washington's name , the hard part to changing it is , what to change it to . Many of the best names have already been taken . The city's MLB team chose a name that keeps them neutral with "Nationals" as did the NHL team the "Capitals" . Their NBA team was the "Bullets" , but was not Socially correct so they changed to the "Wizards" . To change from "Redskins" to another name , it's been in conversations for years with no clear name leading the list .

Originally Posted by: Smokey 



I think the hard part is the fan base (and their money) who have fallen in love with their team and their current name and history.

I mean... what if someone told you, that the Packers had to change their name because it's offense... because THAT DID HAPPEN!  How would you feel if the team that you loved, the Green Bay Packers! ... were no longer the Packers? ... because some people find it offensive.

Just personally... I'd probably be pretty pissed off, and probably would disengage with the team some... and probably slowly come back... but they'd have to win me over again.


As for the new name... the owner will want trademark rights. So a lot depends on what he can get trademark rights to and at what price.

To me, Washington Warriors CLEAR sounded best and the potential image logos also looked the best, but some random guys (Washington fans (one of which is Native American)) have trademarked that already... as an investment, hoping they might get something bigger for it later.

Interesting, one of the Owners Neighbors (and reportedly might be a friend) trademarked Washington Bravehearts for no clear reason... unless he's making an investment or working with the Washington Owner about a back-up plan... though I must say, Bravehearts doesn't really sound good to me.

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PackFanWithTwins
8 years ago

My biggest problem in all of this, is that this really wasn't about the name... because the leader of this moment has openly admit she plans to go after the Chiefs and other sports teams with Native American mascots after they won their case against the Redskins.

Originally Posted by: beast 



You are right, it isn't about the name Redskins, they have been going after high schools and colleges for years with anything, Wisconsin has been dealing with this for decades now. I went to school with two of Barb Munson's children, she has been leading the ban of native mascots in WI. WI has a huge history with Indians, how many city and community names come from our Indian past, it is only natural that would continue with schools and their mascots.

Now I'm a mutt, but the largest portion of anything in me is indian but I'm not a tribe member anywhere, though my family was as recent as my father and grandfather. Everybody with indian heritage I know looks at it the same way I do. Not at it being derogatory or offensive, but as a source of pride in our heritages. To me it really seems that those who are offended by teams using indian names and mascots are ashamed of their heritage.

And really is the Redskins logo really more offensive then say, Notre Dame or the Celtics?
The world needs ditch diggers too Danny!!!
Smokey
8 years ago
To some, saying "redskin" is a racial slur . No different from other offensive names like the "N" word or "Wap" or "Chink" or "Breed" or any other such negative put-down . We say that America has changed , and it has , but much remains to be overcome.
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PackFanWithTwins
8 years ago
They have also said Indian is offensive so we should be referred to as Native American. When in reality, they mean the exact same thing. What needs to be overcome is putting so much power in a word. A word can only put you down if you allow it to. If you have pride in your heritage, self respect and self confidence in who you are, NO word should be able to put you down. It is no different than being told you can't do something and believing it. Believe in yourself and quit giving a shit about what somebody else might say about or to you.
The world needs ditch diggers too Danny!!!
Smokey
8 years ago

They have also said Indian is offensive so we should be referred to as Native American. When in reality, they mean the exact same thing. What needs to be overcome is putting so much power in a word. A word can only put you down if you allow it to. If you have pride in your heritage, self respect and self confidence in who you are, NO word should be able to put you down. It is no different than being told you can't do something and believing it. Believe in yourself and quit giving a shit about what somebody else might say about or to you.

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