Sometimes injuries are an excuse.

We went to NFC champ game, 8 strait PO appearances w/ one a SB win. Yet, people gripe.

The only reason is our success is compared to NE's.

When their QB has a concussion he keeps playing; Shields gets a concussion his career is suddenly over. What would we have done if we enjoyed the same competitive advantages as NE, not only with injury games, but spying, but cheating on practices, etc.?

And if you think Brady is the only one, you're naive.

Originally Posted by: Barfarn 

I tell you what, let's compare ourselves to Jacksonville and Cleveland. That way we can be satisfied with what ever we get. That way we never ever have to try for something better.

I am so tried of hearing how spoiled or ungrateful Packer fans are when they want to see their team achieve greatness.

Not only is Vince dead, so are his ideals. 😞

Originally Posted by: wpr 

Packer fans aren't spoiled; the whiners are idiots.

We went to NFC Champ game last year; is that any more or less acceptable if we won 10 SBs or lost 160 in the 10 years prior?

And you're bastardizing Vince; Stop it! 😂 Your argument, if its consistent is this: GB Lost in NFC champ game, therefore, they didn't strive for perfection; Lombardi lost in '63 and '64 with the best team, he had like 15 HOFers, therefore, he didn't strive for perfection and should have been fired. Satirically I say, Lombardi could have traded draft picks for better players, and went for it in 63 and '64 and that loser fool just stood pat with the hand he was dealt and effed us out of 2 more world championships.

You're assuming not wining SB constitutes evidence that a team wasn't trying, this is idiocy. Would you rather be Denver? Win one [because you played 3 PO teams missing QBs-no team in history has been luckier] and miss playoffs probably for 4-5 more years?

There's no need to compare to anyone, it is a silly exercise. Keep expectations in accordance with the odds. Perfection has only been accomplished ONE TIME in all of history and NEVER for 2 years. And so what, who cares if you're 10-6 or 16-0; a SB win is a win.

Here's my advice to all. Be happy to be a GB fan and hope for the best. But if you dont get it, stand up like a man, watch tape of the draft picks, and dont whine like a little blaming bitch. Okay, if you have to blame, look at the players, starting with the highest paid at prime positions [you dont start with the long snapper]. Realize when you call Rodgers great there are 3 distinct levels of play he has attained:
(1) reg season [with some exception over the last 2], which is HOF caliber.
(2) Playoffs, which is decent, but below HOF caliber.
(3) Crunch time in payoffs, which is putrid.

Now if you have to bitch, bitch about the guy who has done a ton to get us to the POs, but then either caused many of the PO losses or didn't do enough to win them. When Rodgers contract is renegotiated, I want you there. Tell everyone there that Rodgers needs more weapons and a better defense because he is not good enough to do it on his own.

Originally Posted by: Barfarn 

We went to NFC champ game, 8 strait PO appearances w/ one a SB win. Yet, people gripe.

The only reason is our success is compared to NE's.

I tell you what, let's compare ourselves to Jacksonville and Cleveland.

One thing people need to remember about our defense and Ted not replacing players. Since the SB, Ted had to try and replace normal expected turnover, also what would be unexpected turnover. Nick Collins, Raji, Finley. Two for certain where pro-bowl players.

This is why once you have a solid team base built through the draft, you can't only rely on the draft. If you have an excellent draft every year and get 3 starters, it takes over 7 years to fill all 22 starting positions on offense and defense. Assuming you don't lose anybody which is unreasonable. when you add career ending injuries or unexpected retirement of players you where planning on being part of the team for the future it makes it even harder, which is why FA is required to fill in those places along with drafting more for need than simply "BPA". This was probably Teds best offseason in that respect. He filled one place of need, and helped another position in FA, allowing him more freedom on the draft to address other needs.

While I'm not sure what was done put us in position to be the SB favorite this year, I think the team is setup excellent for the following year. Oline is pretty much locked up, Very good WR depth, TE position should be set and youth at RB. Should only require one or two players next offseason to finish off the defensive side of the ball.

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins 

I see you can make up things to suit your agenda can't you? Infer I am saying one thing when it is not the case.

Sense you lack understanding
I w i l l r e p l a y i t m u c h s l o w e r s o y o u h a v e a c h a n c e t o c o m p r e h e n d i t.

YOU SAID-

I SAID-

Where is there any griping whatsoever? The only comments I have seen if people lamenting if GB had a half decent defense last year they would have stood a chance. In reality it is amazing they beat NYG, who shot themselves in the foot many times early in the game. Everyone was thrilled the torched the Cowboys even if they had to hang on at the end. Fun game to watch. Aaron played All World the last half of the season and into the post season.

What I was implying but you with all your intellect failed to grasp was the question "WHY SHOULD WE NOT COMPARE OURSELVES TO THE BEST ORGANIZATIONS? Right now it is NE. In the past it has been the Cowboys, Steelers, SF and even Denver. Why would I ever want to compare my team to the weakest teams? That is just foolish.

Not many people who think I was bastardizing Vince but I can believe you would leap to the wrong conclusion. Instead I revered him. Never NEVER NEVER did I say or even suggest that GB has to win every year or that the 60's teams were not a success when they lost. I said exactly what Vince said which is strive for perfection and settle for excellence. I think it is pretty safe to say that most years GB falls a little short of excellence. Something they need to work on.

Do your best to try and keep up. If you need a little help don;t be afraid to ask for help. You will look less foolish if you do.

Originally Posted by: wpr