Packers find hits with free agents -- when they've bothered to sign them ·

wpr
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Packers find hits with free agents -- when they've bothered to sign them

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Given the level of success Thompson has had when he has dipped into free agency, there’s a decent argument to be made that he should do it more often.

Thus the frustration of many a fan.

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Barfarn
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8 years ago

These fans of which you speak clearly must ignore reality to indulge their silly frustrations.

Here's reality: Ted has spent EVERY god damn Cap dollar he's had and that is over 1.5 BILLION dollars. The only amount he has not spent of this 1.5 BILLION is the 7.9M he just rolled over. And that was kept for a mid season acquisition and/or to extend Perry, Elliot, Jones, Hyde and/or Tretter, if they performed as expected and the other side agreed.

A fan that ignores the Cap insisting Ted should spend over the Cap has got to be a nut.

More reality: The team Ted inherited from Sherman did not have quality players worth retaining; so Ted used the money not used to extend and sign his own players and filled the holes by signing outside FAs.

Even more reality: Generally, after signing his own players, if there was money left he signed outside FAs.

The opinion that Ted should just sign more outside guys is patently irrational and it makes people more stupid after hearing it. Now the Argument Ted should have signed X instead of Cobb, or Y instead of Daniels or Z instead of Bulaga is an opinion that is worth sharing.

PackFanWithTwins
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Now the Argument Ted should have signed X instead of Cobb, or Y instead of Daniels or Z instead of Bulaga is an opinion that is worth sharing.

Originally Posted by: Barfarn

Never heard of X,Y or Z. Are they any good?

Looking at the status of the team I think Ted has to go outside his norm and look more at Outside FA rather than simply filling in after signing our own. Signing our own, is not going to improve the team and I don't know if there will be enough left to make much improvement if they don't spend more outside and be even more selective of which of our own we do resign.

Some times you have to improve the depth of the team from the top not the bottom.

The world needs ditch diggers too Danny!!!

Smokey
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8 years ago

The general idea is that Ted Thompson is way too conservative. The safe path is to build from a rookie draft. Safe is not winning SB's.
The idea is to get good players for the team, so trade or fire or hire or spit, but get the job done. Ted Thompson has not been getting the job done.

[cheers]

Cheesey
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8 years ago

So....Ted has spent every dollar. Yet we only have one super bowl appearance while Tom Brady has 7.

Maybe Ted should have spent more wisely.
Obviously he must be doing something wrong.
A couple of FAs might push us over the top from a very good team to a great team.
I'd like another SB before I take a dirt nap!😎 🤣

warhawk
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8 years ago

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins

While signing your own may not make the team better not signing some of these guys will make the team worse. This is certainly a challenge for Ted Thompson because there are several teams with more money lacking talent.
The Oline, for example, will be greatly challenged to be as good let alone better without Lang and Tretter and the pass rush is not going to be as good or better without Perry.
I see this off season as very difficult for Ted Thompson to maneuver through more so than in a lot of the previous years. He certainly doesn't want to start out the year with more holes and less talent than what he had at the end of last year. That's not a good start to getting better.

"The train is leaving the station."

coltonja
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8 years ago

Originally Posted by: warhawk

Warhawk, always grateful for your input. It's nearly always balanced, well thought out and on point. This post exemplifies that.

I agree this offseason is one of the most challenging for Ted Thompson in recent years. We could overpay our own players who have come on strong this year- Perry and Hyde, or let reliable players walk- like Lang and Tretter. Filling those gaps- which are primary starters or, at least, significant role players for us will be vital this offseason. As a fan I think this is the most difficult thing to understand this time of year- it's possible for your team to get a lot worse from signing splashy "very talented" free agents and letting important players walk from your roster. We only have $40 mil a year open, and if we re-signed Lacy, Cook, Lang/Tretter and Perry that number is cut in half at least. Plus we have our rookie class to sign and major free agent question marks for the next season to think about.

That's why I enjoy playing armchair GM and yet don't envy TT's role. When it comes down to it the few million difference in each contract has major implications!

All that said let's go overspend and sign Boye!

Thanks to pack93z for the sig!!!

gbguy20
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8 years ago

Resign our guys and find a way to get c. Campbell under the cap. Can we cut Cobb yet or does the dead money still kill us this year?

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nerdmann
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8 years ago

[cheers]

Originally Posted by: Smokey

The last two years it's only been Ted's depth that has given us any chance whatsoever.

The year before that isn't on Ted.

The reason Ted has such a good batting average is, he picks his shots. He knows when to pull the trigger. More importantly, he knows when NOT to pull the trigger.

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“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”

DoddPower
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The last two years it's only been Ted's depth that has given us any chance whatsoever.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann

This is ignorant. The reason the Packers always have a chance is Aaron Rodgers, not bottom of the roster scrubs that can be found my most GMs every year. Others besides Aaron Rodgers need to step-up, especially on defense. How good would this team have been the past several years if they had an above average to good defense consistently? Probably at least one more super bowl championship, and few more visits.

People hold Aaron Rodgers to a standard to almost be perfect and play at an elite level and make few mistakes while accepting mediocrity from the rest of the roster. Makes sense.

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nerdmann
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Originally Posted by: DoddPower

How many teams could lose their top 4 CBs and still make the NFCCG? How many teams could lose their top 7 WRs and still take the Cardinals to OT in the division round?

Aaron played great, after shitting himself (and the rest of the team) to 4-6.

“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”

Cheesey
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#12

Originally Posted by: nerdmann

And that is because of Aaron Rodgers, not the lousy defense we have.

DoddPower
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And that is because of Aaron Rodgers, not the lousy defense we have.

Originally Posted by: Cheesey

Exactly. It certainly wasn't a result of the embarrassing defense. The Packers do have a good offensive line, but even they seemed to struggle late in the year. The Packers have average running backs and receiving core. Rodgers carried them. If Rodgers doesn't play at an elite superstar level, the Packers are garbage. This team would go no where without him. It's time for some others to step-up instead of all the pressure constantly being on Rodgers year-after-year-after-year. There are a lot of other players on the Packers that are getting paid handsomely and playing worse than Rodgers did early in the season for entire seasons, not just a bad stretch, which most players are going to have occasionally. They need to step-up or find employment elsewhere.

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Barfarn
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Nerd is 100% correct!

Depth was not our problem. Our depth was young; but it was really good in 2016; especially compared to other teams

Going into the season, it was scary having the unproven Gunter as our 4th CB. But, after injuries allowed him to play, we learned what the staff knew all along, that Gunter was amongst the best, if not the best, #4 CB in the league. Hyde played darn good as a #5 and Goodson was a pretty solid #6.

Hyde was good as #3 safety. Banjo couldn’t stay healthy as our #4; but Brice wasn’t too bad as a #5.

Cant imagine a back-up ILB being much better than Thomas. Peppers, Jones, Elliot, Fackrell was great depth at OLB. And Lowry and Clark backing up DL with Pennel a no-show showed great depth there too.

Both our RBs go out; Monty and Ripkowski proved great depth. We went w/ 2 RBs because the staff knew what Monty and Rip could do if the unthinkable happened and both our RBs went down. Allison proved to be great depth at WR. Davis played well in the one game he got some snaps

We didn’t know a lot of these guys could play; but the staff did and when they got a chance they did nicely.

Brady played better than Rodgers with much less of an OL and much fewer weapons. The money saved from OL and WRs was invested in the D. Next year Brady makes 22M instead of 14, so that one less 8M guy or 2 less 4M guys on defense. Seattle is paying their OL NOTHING and Wilson has ZERO protection. This pays for 3-4 of their Defensive guys. You take Thomas away it hurt their D, take away 2-3 more and their D is not as good as GB's. Teams need to make choices. We pay 3 OLmen; Seattle pays zero and NE pays 1. We pay 2 WRs; NE doesn't pay any; Seattle pays 1.

Rodgers doesn't have to play great, he just has to play not like Cutler!!!! Rodgers played well in the 8-0 run; but I wouldn't say he "carried the team." Again we saw how the team played when Rodgers played well, we saw how the team played when he stunk. That is cause and effect! And everyone needs to stop thinking of Rodgers in terms of his play in 2011; unless he actually plays like that, HE DID NOT in most of '15 and '16. If he plays like he did in 2011, we'd have been 15-1/14-2, maybe 16-0 the last 2 years. If he plays like he did in streak we'll be 13-3/12-4. If he plays like Cutler we're 8-8/7-9 and we're 10-6/9-7 with Hundley starting.

“People have a habit of inventing fictions they will believe wholeheartedly in order to ignore the truth they cannot accept.” Zero2Cool 😂

STOP inventing fictions about how Rodgers is playing.

Bigbyfan
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#15

Some folks here are gonna be in for a rude awakening whenever Rodgers is no longer under center.

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wpr
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Some folks here are gonna be in for a rude awakening whenever Rodgers is no longer under center.

Originally Posted by: Bigbyfan

Everyone should know exactly what will happen when AR is no longer under center. Back to back HoF QBs don't come along every day.

yooperfan
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Everyone should know exactly what will happen when Aaron Rodgers is no longer under center. Back to back HoF QBs don't come along every day.

Originally Posted by: wpr

You're absolutely correct.
I'm pretty sure we have all seen the team Thompson has built without Aaron Rodgers on the field.

Barfarn
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Some folks here are gonna be in for a rude awakening whenever Rodgers is no longer under center.

Originally Posted by: Bigbyfan

The awakening will occur when McCarthy is gone.

If Wash and GB switched picks and GB took Jason Campbell, Bigby would have written, "Some folks here are gonna be in for a rude awakening whenever Campbell is no longer under center and what kinda dumbass believed that Kelly Anne Conway media hype crap that Smith and Rodgers were the #1 and #2 picks, Ted was a genius for passing on him." Go back and look at Rodgers' tape; the guy was a dinker and a dunker, he couldnt throw those 20 super accurate lasers. McCarthy 100% made Rodgers. If McCarthy stayed in SF, Smith would be in consideration for GOAT.

If the Brady draft were re-held today, The only team drafting him earlier would be New England, because they knew what they could do with him in their system. If Cleveland drafted Brady, he'd have less accumulated stats than Tim Couch at this point.

PackFanWithTwins
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Originally Posted by: Barfarn

Either lay off the drugs, or have enough to share with everybody else.

The world needs ditch diggers too Danny!!!

Nonstopdrivel
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I was probably Ted Thompson's biggest fan for many years, but I'm rapidly losing patience with his continual inability to field anything resembling a credible defense, a running game that isn't laughable, and a consistently respectable offensive line. At the rate he's going, he's going to be remembered as the Bill Polian of the Packers -- and that is not a compliment. The parallels are eerie, really. At least Polian had an eye for rushing talent.

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