mojaveson
8 years ago

Now that one couldn't agree more! Firing Capers should of been done 2-3 seasons ago.

Originally Posted by: shield4life 



I agree as well. Of all possible firings, I think Dom should be at the top of the list.

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Zero2Cool
8 years ago

I'm sick and tired of this argument. Sam making 10 mil. Top two picks of last draft coming off a good year, now you pay a 4th cb big money who also has an injury history?

Clearly things didn't work this year, but the logic at the time was sound.

Originally Posted by: musccy 



I'm equally sick of it too. It's as if we forget that there are only 53 roster spots and so much money to hand out. It's such a tired overblown debate. We might as well start up the Brett Favre shouldn't have been traded poop.


I do think the topic question is GREAT! I would say that ILB Danny Trevathan(sp?) not being signed is the biggest offseason mistake.
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nerdmann
8 years ago

Letting Casey Hayward go. Discuss.

Originally Posted by: gbguy20 



At least people have gotten over Cullen Jenkins.

The biggest mistakes were:

1: Keeping Bostic

2: Letting Clements call plays for 10 games.
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uffda udfa
8 years ago

At least people have gotten over Cullen Jenkins.

The biggest mistakes were:

1: Keeping Bostic

2: Letting Clements call plays for 10 games.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



Keeping Bostic? He was cut after Seattle debacle.

As for number 2.... I will always believe MM was stripped of those duties or gave them up to save his job after Seattle. Had MM been fired Tom wouldn't have been in that position and someone else would've been calling plays.

I think keeping Peppers this year was a huge mistake. Money should've been allocated elsewhere.
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beast
8 years ago
The biggest offseason mistake of the last 5 years was
releasing Charles Woodson when MD Jennings is starting S...

Especially since Woodson said he was willing and expecting to have to take a pay cut and wanted to finish his career with the Packers.
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stevegb
8 years ago
Letting Cullen Jenkins go in free agency the year after the super bowl win (along with losing Nick Collins but that was through injury and you can't control that). I know he priced himself out of staying but he was the back bone of that front 7 that allowed us to do all those gimmicky defensive looks that Capers has made a career on, turned that 2010 manageable defense into a complete mess that we still haven't recovered from.
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steveishere
8 years ago

I'm sick and tired of this argument. Sam making 10 mil. Top two picks of last draft coming off a good year, now you pay a 4th cb big money who also has an injury history?

Clearly things didn't work this year, but the logic at the time was sound.

Originally Posted by: musccy 



Big money? He got 5m a year and he played starter snaps for us. He is the 30th highest paid CB in the league. The 2 picks are being paid pennies for the next 3 seasons so it isn't like it would be crazy to pay 5m for another. Plus take a look at our defense, the way Dom calls it I would consider the top 4 CB all starters. The way we played it this year we needed at least 2 of Randall/Rollins/Gunter to make a big improvement from last season and didn't leave much room to dealing with an injury. Now we got the worse end of it where none of them improved AND we had an injury (though a predictable one) but you play with fire and let good players walk for cheap while relying solely on little proven players you might get burned.

I could see letting Hayward go if he actually got big money but the contract he got is exactly what you are looking for. That's the problem with this team at the moment we have too big a chunk of cash invested in a few players and little in between. I guess you could say we are lacking a good middle-class. So if one or 2 of the top guys get hurt or underperform their contracts that's a huge chunk of the team missing (cap wise). We need less top dollar contracts like Matthews, Peppers, Cobb, Shields and more like Hayward, Perry, Cook. Still good players but if they get hurt or something it doesn't destroy your team and you can dump them without much penalty.
steveishere
8 years ago

Letting Cullen Jenkins go in free agency the year after the super bowl win (along with losing Nick Collins but that was through injury and you can't control that). I know he priced himself out of staying but he was the back bone of that front 7 that allowed us to do all those gimmicky defensive looks that Capers has made a career on, turned that 2010 manageable defense into a complete mess that we still haven't recovered from.

Originally Posted by: stevegb 



I still think Jenkins wasn't going to re-sign even if we gave a competetive offer because he thought he was going to get some massive deal in FA and got mad at our offer. He started talking about he was offering a "hometown discount" and we low balled it but then he took forever to sign a decent deal in FA and didn't seem to have all that much interest. That's a sign of someone who way overvalued themselves. I bet we offered him something similar to what he eventually got before FA even started but he was expecting some blockbuster deal.
stevegb
8 years ago

Big money? He got 5m a year and he played starter snaps for us. He is the 30th highest paid CB in the league. The 2 picks are being paid pennies for the next 3 seasons so it isn't like it would be crazy to pay 5m for another. Plus take a look at our defense, the way Dom calls it I would consider the top 4 CB all starters. The way we played it this year we needed at least 2 of Randall/Rollins/Gunter to make a big improvement from last season and didn't leave much room to dealing with an injury. Now we got the worse end of it where none of them improved AND we had an injury (though a predictable one) but you play with fire and let good players walk for cheap while relying solely on little proven players you might get burned.

I could see letting Hayward go if he actually got big money but the contract he got is exactly what you are looking for. That's the problem with this team at the moment we have too big a chunk of cash invested in a few players and little in between. I guess you could say we are lacking a good middle-class. So if one or 2 of the top guys get hurt or underperform their contracts that's a huge chunk of the team missing (cap wise). We need less top dollar contracts like Matthews, Peppers, Cobb, Shields and more like Hayward, Perry, Cook. Still good players but if they get hurt or something it doesn't destroy your team and you can dump them without much penalty.

Originally Posted by: steveishere 



I still have hope for both Randall and Rollins, I think they are/were victims of the sophomore slump. Both of them in their first year I thought were pretty impressive we just need to do some catching practice in training camp or something, the amount of potential INTs that were dropped this year could put my 5 year old sister to shame.
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Zero2Cool
8 years ago

I still think Jenkins wasn't going to re-sign even if we gave a competetive offer because he thought he was going to get some massive deal in FA and got mad at our offer.

Originally Posted by: steveishere 



Cullen Jenkins was not coming back. (we have had this discussion numerous times too lol) And we all know the real problem in the Packers defense was from Nick Collins absence, not Cullen Jenkins. I can't believe anyone (not implying anyone specific) could reasonably think differently.
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