buckeyepackfan
8 years ago


Love him or hate him, Packers general manager Ted Thompson does things his own way.  Fans are often infuriated with his complete disregard to free agency (especially towards top tier free agents) and drafting players who no one knows about in the “wrong spots” (at least according to Mel Kiper Jr.).  Plenty of fans will gripe about the best player available strategy, which often leaves perceived holes in the roster while creating log jams in others.  But perhaps worse of all is that fans know Thompson is stubborn and will do things the way he wants and given how successful the Packers have been under his tenure, he likely gets to set his own terms for retirement. 

CheeseheadTV wrote:



The pure genius of Ted Thompson!
King of misinformation!
Always keeps them guessing!
I was addicted to The Hokey Pokey, but I turned myself around!
nerdmann
8 years ago
This draft definitely seemed more weighted toward "need" than others have been in the past.
“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”
DoddPower
8 years ago

This draft definitely seemed more weighted toward "need" than others have been in the past.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



That could be true, and if so, makes me nervous. Drafting for need is never a good idea. Just get good players in the draft. Gaping holes can be filled via free agency, in theory. Much like the Jared Cook signing this season.
yooperfan
8 years ago

Gaping holes can be filled via free agency, in theory.

Originally Posted by: DoddPower 


Except under Teddy "gaping holes" go unfilled for years at a time because free agency is a dirty term to Teddy.
So at some point in time Teddy needs to draft for need.
Never mind that the guys he finally drafts for need rarely are good enough to fill that need immediately.
So the Packers remain stuck in second gear year after year.

sschind
8 years ago
What exactly determines who is the best player? What determines that player A is better than player B and perhaps as important who gets to determine which player is the best player available? Is there some master list created by a committee of college football guru's, or maybe its just one guy, that determines where each and every player falls on the BPA spectrum? Or does each GM determine his list of "best" players based on his own research, the research of his scouts and the needs and best fits for his own team? If the GM doesn't take the best player according to you or I does that mean he is not taking the best player? I'm pretty sure GMs don't make a list of 1 to 500 (or however many players are eligible for the draft) and say "this is my list, I'm going to cross names off as they are taken and when it comes to my turn I'm going to take the highest one left. According to us fans that would be taking the best player available but I really doubt that is how GMs approach it. We get hung up on "best player" as meaning the "BEST" player, that is which one is more talented when in reality it is probably more like best player for our team at this time and I can't believe that need doesn't factor into it.

A strict BPA list would be akin to a writers top 100 prospects list. The best players, from 1-100 regardless of position, or team need. If you look at those same writers mock drafts they never follow their lists 100 percent and that is because they factor in team need as well. I'm sure GMs do the same thing. At least I hope they do because a true BPA drafting GM could conceivably draft 7 straight players at the same position and no matter how much we say we WANT or GM to draft the BPA we all know we would go ape shit if they did that.

So if we agree to all this then who is to say that Ted is lying to us about taking the best player available? I'm sure he is takingthe player he thinks is the bet one and I am sure need does factor into what makes that player the best one. I'm also pretty sure if a cornerback would have been the highest player rated on Teds draft board when his pick came around in the 3rd round last year he would have though long and hard about going with a different position.
macbob
8 years ago

This draft definitely seemed more weighted toward "need" than others have been in the past.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



I think at least part of that were the dynamics of where we were picking and the players available. I thought there were a number of guys of about the same level when our turn came up in the first round. I was hoping we'd trade back (like the team before and after us did) as I felt we could get the same quality a few picks later in round 1/start of round 2.

When you're picking and there's not a huge difference in the players available, I felt we went with the one that fit best to our needs, but I didn't feel that we had abandoned the BPA approach--there just wasn't a huge difference in players available when our picks rolled around.

When there became a difference in value, Ted traded up IOT draft Spriggs.
nerdmann
8 years ago

What exactly determines who is the best player? What determines that player A is better than player B and perhaps as important who gets to determine which player is the best player available? Is there some master list created by a committee of college football guru's, or maybe its just one guy, that determines where each and every player falls on the BPA spectrum? Or does each GM determine his list of "best" players based on his own research, the research of his scouts and the needs and best fits for his own team? If the GM doesn't take the best player according to you or I does that mean he is not taking the best player? I'm pretty sure GMs don't make a list of 1 to 500 (or however many players are eligible for the draft) and say "this is my list, I'm going to cross names off as they are taken and when it comes to my turn I'm going to take the highest one left. According to us fans that would be taking the best player available but I really doubt that is how GMs approach it. We get hung up on "best player" as meaning the "BEST" player, that is which one is more talented when in reality it is probably more like best player for our team at this time and I can't believe that need doesn't factor into it.

A strict BPA list would be akin to a writers top 100 prospects list. The best players, from 1-100 regardless of position, or team need. If you look at those same writers mock drafts they never follow their lists 100 percent and that is because they factor in team need as well. I'm sure GMs do the same thing. At least I hope they do because a true BPA drafting GM could conceivably draft 7 straight players at the same position and no matter how much we say we WANT or GM to draft the BPA we all know we would go ape shit if they did that.

So if we agree to all this then who is to say that Ted is lying to us about taking the best player available? I'm sure he is takingthe player he thinks is the bet one and I am sure need does factor into what makes that player the best one. I'm also pretty sure if a cornerback would have been the highest player rated on Teds draft board when his pick came around in the 3rd round last year he would have though long and hard about going with a different position.

Originally Posted by: sschind 



Ted has a whole team of scouts dude.

They create a board that is based on BPA, for OUR team. They're not making an abstract list of "players who are good." Although when they draft guys on defense who don't fit our scheme, it makes me wonder.
“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”
warhawk
8 years ago

I think at least part of that were the dynamics of where we were picking and the players available. I thought there were a number of guys of about the same level when our turn came up in the first round. I was hoping we'd trade back (like the team before and after us did) as I felt we could get the same quality a few picks later in round 1/start of round 2.

When you're picking and there's not a huge difference in the players available, I felt we went with the one that fit best to our needs, but I didn't feel that we had abandoned the BPA approach--there just wasn't a huge difference in players available when our picks rolled around.

When there became a difference in value, Ted traded up IOT draft Spriggs.

Originally Posted by: macbob 



From what I hear he could have traded with Dallas but they only offered a 4th round pick and Ted was afraid Clark and whoever else he had up there would have been gone. It wasn't worth the chance for a 4th round pick.
I think the difference in Clark and Spriggs too was the upside. Clark is 20 years old with a high ceiling especially with how well he fits in Capers scheme. Spriggs probably needs a year but could be a very good OT for many years. Where we pick late in theses rounds every year those guys are hard to find.
This probably does drive some nuts because other players a little more pro ready today would have higher impact this next year but that's not how Ted always rolls.

I agree with how Ted goes about the draft and rookies. If you need rookies to win the SB your probably not going to win the SB. Having said that I think the Packers get as big of a bang for their buck from rookies as about any team in the league. Last year, for example, I didn't think the CB's he selected would be near ready but they performed well. Still, their best is yet to come and that's pretty exciting.


"The train is leaving the station."
sschind
8 years ago

Ted has a whole team of scouts dude.

They create a board that is based on BPA, for OUR team. They're not making an abstract list of "players who are good." Although when they draft guys on defense who don't fit our scheme, it makes me wonder.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



I kinda thought that is what I said. My questions at the front of my post were meant to illustrate the seemingly all to common misconception that there is a list of players and if a GM doesn't take the highest player available on that list he is not taking the BPA. They were not actual questions that I had. I made a similar post on another board where I think I made my thoughts clearer.

Ted drafts Kenny Clark. Fans think there are better players available. Ted didn't draft the BPA. We needed a DL. Ted drafted for need.

That's how a lot of people seem to look at it.

Occasionally a player who plays a position that is not a need falls and is too good to pass up but I think if you look at all the drafts from all the GMs over time you are going to find that more players are picked in positions that are positions of need. I think that is because need is a factor when GMs determine which player is best for their team. A team that just lost its top 3 WRs to free agency but just signed the two best CBs is probably going to have a few WRs rated a bit higher than CBs on their list and most likely will draft more WRs than CBs unless a particularly good CB prospect falls. Is that GM drafting BPA or for need? I guess it depends on your definition of BPA.
PackerTraxx
8 years ago
Macbob and Warhawk pretty well summed it up. I think BPA as Ted Thompson does it could be defined as the "BPA for our team all things considered". If player A is rated minutely better than player B and player B is a position of need, take player B. I A is highly better than B, even though it is not a need, I believe Ted Thompson would take B because long term it will be better for the team because the team landscape is always changing with injuries etc. Hence the reason we have A Rod when we had Favre. If this makes sense!!! 🙂
Why is Jerry Kramer not in the Hall of Fame?
Fan Shout
buckeyepackfan (6h) : That was quick, one thing Jordan said was he doesn't agree with Josh Jacobs, that the Packers need to go get a proven #1 wr
buckeyepackfan (6h) : J-10VE on ESPN NOW!
beast (6h) : I was young and didn't get enough sleep... fell asleep during the Buccaneers/Raiders Super Bowl
Zero2Cool (5-Feb) : Patriots / Panthers feeling is what I got. didn't watch that one either
Zero2Cool (5-Feb) : Easier to get a camera on her in the suite where she can't impact the game by being distraction???
TheKanataThrilla (5-Feb) : This is the least excited I have been in a long time for a Super Bowl. Unfortunately they both can't lose.
wpr (5-Feb) : So why don;'t they have her on the sidelines and doing the halftime fandango instead of sitting on her but in a $1,000,000 suite?
Zero2Cool (5-Feb) : Think more eyes on Super Bowl with Swift fans pulling for her TE boyfriend?
Zero2Cool (5-Feb) : She dating the TE of the Chiefs.
Zero2Cool (5-Feb) : Taylor Swift has millions of fans, yeah?
Zero2Cool (5-Feb) : They did. They are going to show the post production Sunday with plethora of ads.
wpr (5-Feb) : I thought KC already won
Zero2Cool (4-Feb) : If you wanna post about the Super Bowl, please, by all means, open a topic. They are free this month! 😁
Zero2Cool (4-Feb) : There doesn't need to be a topic. There's a playoff prediction thread.
packerfanoutwest (4-Feb) : and there no SB contest over in the other Packer forum, either
buckeyepackfan (4-Feb) : #2Officially Retires!
beast (4-Feb) : Probably no SB topic as people are wore out talking about the Chiefs, Refs and Eagles
Zero2Cool (4-Feb) : Packers reportedly have their new LB coach, promoting Sean Duggan to that role
Zero2Cool (4-Feb) : WR Cooper Kupp is being traded.
packerfanoutwest (4-Feb) : why is there no SB Prediction topic?
Zero2Cool (3-Feb) : Anthony Perkins spent 2024 as a defensive quality-control coach with the Packers.
Zero2Cool (3-Feb) : Packers lose another assistant.
Zero2Cool (3-Feb) : Defensive Player of the Year and Browns star Myles Garrett has requested a trade.
Zero2Cool (3-Feb) : deleted all my browser history and autofill and passwords. gonna be fun!
packerfanoutwest (3-Feb) : too funny
packerfanoutwest (3-Feb) : Lions QB Jared Goff was the offensive MVP
packerfanoutwest (3-Feb) : for the Pro Bowl, which is flag football
Zero2Cool (2-Feb) : Rather, the murder WAS covered up to prevent ...
Zero2Cool (2-Feb) : JFK murder was a cover-up to prevent war with Cuba/Russia.
Martha Careful (1-Feb) : I have always admired the pluck of the man
Zero2Cool (1-Feb) : I remember thinking he was going to be something good.
Mucky Tundra (1-Feb) : The Dualing Banjo!
Zero2Cool (31-Jan) : Jets have named Chris Banjo as their special teams coordinator, Former Packers player
Zero2Cool (31-Jan) : Jaguars have hired Anthony Campanile as their DC. We lose coach
Zero2Cool (30-Jan) : QB coach Sean Mannion
Zero2Cool (30-Jan) : DL Coach DeMarcus Covington
dfosterf (30-Jan) : from ft Belvoir, Quantico and points south. Somber reminder of this tragedy at Reagan Nat Airport
dfosterf (30-Jan) : So eerily quiet here in Alexandria. I live in the flight path of commercial craft coming from the south and west, plus the military craft
dfosterf (30-Jan) : So eeri
Mucky Tundra (30-Jan) : Now that's a thought, maybe they're looking at the college ranks? Maybe not head coaches but DC/assistant DCs with league experience?
beast (30-Jan) : College Coaches wouldn't want that publicly, as it would hurt recruiting and they might not get the job.
beast (30-Jan) : I thought they were supposed to publicly announce them, at least the NFL ones. Hafley was from college, so I believe different rules.
Mucky Tundra (30-Jan) : Who knows who they're interviewing? I mean, nobody knew about Hafley and then out of nowhere he was hired
beast (30-Jan) : I wonder what's taking so long with hiring a DL coach, 2 of the 3 known to interview have already been hired elsewhere.
Zero2Cool (27-Jan) : Packers coach Matt LaFleur hires Luke Getsy as senior assistant, extends Rich Bisaccia's deal
Zero2Cool (27-Jan) : Chiefs again huh? I guess another Super Bowl I'll be finding something else to do.
Mucky Tundra (27-Jan) : Chiefs Eagles...again...sigh
dfosterf (27-Jan) : Happy Birthday Dave!
Mucky Tundra (27-Jan) : happy birthday dhazer
TheKanataThrilla (26-Jan) : Exactly buck...Washington came up with the ball. It is just a shitty coincidence one week later
Please sign in to use Fan Shout
2024 Packers Schedule
Friday, Sep 6 @ 7:15 PM
Eagles
Sunday, Sep 15 @ 12:00 PM
COLTS
Sunday, Sep 22 @ 12:00 PM
Titans
Sunday, Sep 29 @ 12:00 PM
VIKINGS
Sunday, Oct 6 @ 3:25 PM
Rams
Sunday, Oct 13 @ 12:00 PM
CARDINALS
Sunday, Oct 20 @ 12:00 PM
TEXANS
Sunday, Oct 27 @ 12:00 PM
Jaguars
Sunday, Nov 3 @ 3:25 PM
LIONS
Sunday, Nov 17 @ 12:00 PM
Bears
Sunday, Nov 24 @ 3:25 PM
49ERS
Thursday, Nov 28 @ 7:20 PM
DOLPHINS
Thursday, Dec 5 @ 7:15 PM
Lions
Sunday, Dec 15 @ 7:20 PM
Seahawks
Monday, Dec 23 @ 7:15 PM
SAINTS
Sunday, Dec 29 @ 3:25 PM
Vikings
Sunday, Jan 5 @ 12:00 PM
BEARS
Sunday, Jan 12 @ 3:30 PM
Eagles
Recent Topics
now / Around The NFL / packerfanoutwest

6m / Green Bay Packers Talk / packerfanoutwest

19h / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

4-Feb / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

4-Feb / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

4-Feb / Green Bay Packers Talk / earthquake

4-Feb / Green Bay Packers Talk / earthquake

1-Feb / Green Bay Packers Talk / Martha Careful

1-Feb / Green Bay Packers Talk / wpr

29-Jan / Green Bay Packers Talk / Mucky Tundra

27-Jan / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

25-Jan / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

25-Jan / Green Bay Packers Talk / Martha Careful

25-Jan / Random Babble / Martha Careful

20-Jan / Green Bay Packers Talk / Martha Careful

Headlines
Copyright © 2006 - 2025 PackersHome.com™. All Rights Reserved.