Cool story bro. Too bad your premise and all assumptions are based on logical fallacies. Your brilliant logic that assumes that superbowl winning 1st round QB = superbowl winning alpha GM, and UDFA player = incapable GM is the same logic that would argue: Dogs are hairy, men are hairy, thus, men are dogs. You might want to read up on the concept of basic logic if this confuses you.

Additionally, at the time of posting, TT's teams have won exactly 1 more SB than the teams Elway has managed. Today, Elway has the chance to tie TT's SB record as a GM.

It's clear that they have different operating philosophies, but time will tell if one is more successful than the other, and your claim to the motivation or mentality of each is such an obviously ridiculous presumption that I can only feel sorry that you feel so sure of something you know so little about.

Originally Posted by: earthquake 

I am not a mind reader, I can't comment on Elway, TT, or anyone else's mindset or internal motivations.

I've already agreed that they appear to have a different operating philosophy, that conclusion I come to based only on their actions. Coming to conclusions based on how one imagines someone else to think or feel is pointless. It's a non-starter for an argument. Nobody will ever be able to prove it one way or another, so I'll pass.

Originally Posted by: earthquake 

Ted has a proven record over more than a decade. Elway's record remains to be seen.

Ted also does not have a billionaire owner who can stuff the pockets of star players on the side with endorsement contracts and other "grey area" type revenue streams. Ted's franchise has limited cash flow for operating expenses, thus cannot necessarily dole out enormous bonuses, even if that money is accounted for over multiple years for cap purposes.

Keep in mind, Green Bay is also not a favorite destination for players of color. Remember the fiasco Nick Barnett experienced with his Club 56? Ended up no longer being a Packer.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 

Ted has a proven record over more than a decade. Elway's record remains to be seen.

Ted also does not have a billionaire owner who can stuff the pockets of star players on the side with endorsement contracts and other "grey area" type revenue streams. Ted's franchise has limited cash flow for operating expenses, thus cannot necessarily dole out enormous bonuses, even if that money is accounted for over multiple years for cap purposes.

Keep in mind, Green Bay is also not a favorite destination for players of color. Remember the fiasco Nick Barnett experienced with his Club 56? Ended up no longer being a Packer.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 

I understand the black player issue but Woodson changed the perception as did Reggie White before him. A black player who is drafted or traded for is coming here. Now, FA could be an issue but Peppers is african american as was Pickett and Woodson. The player who doesn't want to come here because he's black is not a player you want anyway. You want the player like Reggie who came here to WIN A CHAMPIONSHIP not just games. Those guys seeking championships black, or not, are going to come here. Vernon Davis appeared to want that but his price was too steep and contract too big, I guess.

Aaron Rodgers seems to do fine with his side revenue streams there in lowly Green Bay... as does Clay Matthews. Shoot, the OL was in PITCH PERFECT 2 but those were all white dudes.

What does this reply have to do with the MINDSET issue? I think you guys know we are saddled with someone who shoots for less than the best and have just made peace with it. Kinda like working for a company you know isn't as good as the competition but since you work for the lesser you have to just not really address that issue internally and kinda sell yourself that your company is "fine" when another is so much better.

I want to see one person here tell me that Ted Thompson has a bigger championship mentality than John Elway. I have a feeling I'll be waiting a long long time.

As for giving Elway time...the guy has his team in the SB, twice since 2011. He's gotten rid of a media darling that took him to the playoffs in Tebow and fired a coach that got his guys to a SB. Why? NOT GOOD ENOUGH. In Green Bay, you guys would be posting and linking articles like crazy about how great it is not being Cleveland and how we have a chance every year. In Denver that would be an unheard of foreign loser's mentality. Why is it so accepted here? Stop making excuses for less than the best.

EDIT: Elway and TT...tied with 1 championship apiece. Elway with 2 appearances in less than half of TT's time and I'll bet he tries just as hard to repeat next year than we ever do to get there.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa