nerdmann
9 years ago

What is this based on?

They are about the same weight, if you take height and jumping ability (combine numbers) they are equal. They are about the same in speed. I would see them more interchangeable in the offense where neither is going to have any specific type casting. Either of them being able to line up any WR position and running any type route.

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins 



Monty isn't a real WR. He's a slash guy. Davante is the total opposite, a little taller too.
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PackFanWithTwins
9 years ago

Monty isn't a real WR. He's a slash guy. Davante is the total opposite, a little taller too.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



a whole inch there.
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Porforis
9 years ago

Monty isn't a real WR. He's a slash guy. Davante is the total opposite, a little taller too.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



I honestly don't think we've seen enough of Monty to know how he's going to pan out. If he progresses with his fundamentals, he could be a terror. If not, he could be a bust.
uffda udfa
9 years ago

I honestly don't think we've seen enough of Monty to know how he's going to pan out. If he progresses with his fundamentals, he could be a terror. If not, he could be a bust.

Originally Posted by: Porforis 



That kid knew all the positions and was praised for his football intelligence and ability to run routes properly much like Greg Jennings was. To come in at WR and be counted on as he was is more than promising. It's reason to be Buck like and get all crazy excited. The guy is bright, built like a tank, football fast, but I wonder about his heart. Don't know enough about him to know. He was blasted for his inability to get back on the field. I have no idea how bad it was for him so I can't comment. We'll need to see a larger sample for that but it's clear this guy can change games and make a real impact.

It was obvious that Montgomery was the far better player last year and I see no way he isn't going forward. He was a first round pick, possibly a high one, had he come out a year sooner. Davante Adams played in some goofy offense ala Alex Green and put up gaudy numbers. Might not be 88 (Barfarn alert) but he scored a respectable 25 on the Wonderlic. Davante is not sudden. He's more of a plodder. No explosion. We see that with Richard Rodgers. Monty is much twitchier of an athlete. There's a reason Monty is a return guy and Davante is not.

Go back and research the junior campaign of Ty Montgomery. Ted did an excellent job finding a first round value in Round 3. I think he gets knocked because he wasn't as high of a pick as Davante. Derrick Mayes was a 2nd rounder and Antonio Freeman a 3rd. I see a scenario quite similar for their career paths with 88 being Freeman and 17 being Mayes. Shoot, Derrick was 56th overall and Davante 53rd. Freeman pick 90 and Ty 94th. Similar. Derrick was diddly and Antonio was quite a player for us right from the beginning as a returner and WR late in first year. Sad 88 didn't get his chance to play the full season and also sad Davante did as we would've been better served with Abby or Janis on the field more over his non producing carcass.







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nerdmann
9 years ago

That kid knew all the positions and was praised for his football intelligence and ability to run routes properly much like Greg Jennings was. To come in at WR and be counted on as he was is more than promising. It's reason to be Buck like and get all crazy excited. The guy is bright, built like a tank, football fast, but I wonder about his heart. Don't know enough about him to know. He was blasted for his inability to get back on the field. I have no idea how bad it was for him so I can't comment. We'll need to see a larger sample for that but it's clear this guy can change games and make a real impact.

It was obvious that Montgomery was the far better player last year and I see no way he isn't going forward. He was a first round pick, possibly a high one, had he come out a year sooner. Davante Adams played in some goofy offense ala Alex Green and put up gaudy numbers. Might not be 88 (Barfarn alert) but he scored a respectable 25 on the Wonderlic. Davante is not sudden. He's more of a plodder. No explosion. We see that with Richard Rodgers. Monty is much twitchier of an athlete. There's a reason Monty is a return guy and Davante is not.

Go back and research the junior campaign of Ty Montgomery. Ted did an excellent job finding a first round value in Round 3. I think he gets knocked because he wasn't as high of a pick as Davante. Derrick Mayes was a 2nd rounder and Antonio Freeman a 3rd. I see a scenario quite similar for their career paths with 88 being Freeman and 17 being Mayes. Shoot, Derrick was 56th overall and Davante 53rd. Freeman pick 90 and Ty 94th. Similar. Derrick was diddly and Antonio was quite a player for us right from the beginning as a returner and WR late in first year. Sad 88 didn't get his chance to play the full season and also sad Davante did as we would've been better served with Abby or Janis on the field more over his non producing carcass.






Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 



Not a tight route runner. Very explosive though.
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uffda udfa
9 years ago

Not a tight route runner. Very explosive though.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



Good enough to earn Aaron's trust.

I found this interesting commentary from Mike McCarthy after we drafted Montgomery:


"Big plays is what you need to win in the National Football League, So, it's definitely a variable, one of the top variables, for winning championships. We will be better on kickoff return, and Ty will definitely have the opportunity to help us improve. "I think he's a heck of a young player, and we were fortunate to get him in the third round."

---Interesting... you need big plays to win in the NFL? We had very very few and the ones we did were either courtesy penalty or Jeff Janis. Janis has the thing that creates big plays...speed. What does 88 have? Explosiveness. I will continue pining for speed, speed, speed and gamebreakers as long as we continue to trot out what we've been trotting out. More deep threats. More homerun threats to pressure the opposing D. We have a RB when he's not looking like an ILB can really capitalize on less in the box because the D is terrified of not committing enough personnel to defend against the big play.
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nerdmann
9 years ago

Good enough to earn Aaron's trust.

I found this interesting commentary from Mike McCarthy after we drafted Montgomery:


"Big plays is what you need to win in the National Football League, So, it's definitely a variable, one of the top variables, for winning championships. We will be better on kickoff return, and Ty will definitely have the opportunity to help us improve. "I think he's a heck of a young player, and we were fortunate to get him in the third round."

---Interesting... you need big plays to win in the NFL? We had very very few and the ones we did were either courtesy penalty or Jeff Janis. Janis has the thing that creates big plays...speed. What does 88 have? Explosiveness. I will continue pining for speed, speed, speed and gamebreakers as long as we continue to trot out what we've been trotting out. More deep threats. More homerun threats to pressure the opposing D. We have a RB when he's not looking like an ILB can really capitalize on less in the box because the D is terrified of not committing enough personnel to defend against the big play.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 



Janis has had ONE good game. Ty has had consistent production during the time he was active.
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uffda udfa
9 years ago

Janis has had ONE good game. Ty has had consistent production during the time he was active.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



One good game? LOL. Did you not watch the San Diego game or roadie at MN? We lose both of those games if not for double J.

BTW, what player on our offense last year was the most capable of those big plays? Janis...but I could see going with Monty. Nobody else close.
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Zero2Cool
9 years ago
Why am I not surprised a thread about DAVANTE ADAMS has somehow foolishly sparked a debate about JEFF JANIS.

I want to talk Adams, not Janis, in this ADAMS thread.

I really think the injury to Jordy Nelson did vastly more damage to Adams than good. He was thrust into a role he simply was not prepared nor equipped for. The heaping praise from fellow players and coaches I think applied too much pressure on him and he cracked like a China doll under a Uhaul truck. If Jordy doesn't go down, I bet Adams flourishes as we were all led to believe he would in the WR3 role.

That being said, I am not going to make the same mistake I did this time last year and believe Adams is going to take the next step. He had a few good games in 2014 and only one in 2015 that comes to mind. I'm willing to give him a 'pass' with the Sophomore slump excuse. If he doesn't produce at WR3 better than his first two seasons, I'm cool with letting him hit free agency after his contract is up.
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68md
9 years ago

Why am I not surprised a thread about DAVANTE ADAMS has somehow foolishly sparked a debate about JEFF JANIS.

I want to talk Adams, not Janis, in this ADAMS thread.

I really think the injury to Jordy Nelson did vastly more damage to Adams than good. He was thrust into a role he simply was not prepared nor equipped for. The heaping praise from fellow players and coaches I think applied too much pressure on him and he cracked like a China doll under a Uhaul truck. If Jordy doesn't go down, I bet Adams flourishes as we were all led to believe he would in the WR3 role.

That being said, I am not going to make the same mistake I did this time last year and believe Adams is going to take the next step. He had a few good games in 2014 and only one in 2015 that comes to mind. I'm willing to give him a 'pass' with the Sophomore slump excuse. If he doesn't produce at WR3 better than his first two seasons, I'm cool with letting him hit free agency after his contract is up.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



I agree with you Z to a point but as I pointed out in another thread that high ankle sprain didn't help nor did having almost no coaching in his sophomore season. Let's see what happens through camp. Wouldn't be surprised with Nelson back if Adams productions looks more like his rookie season.
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