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Packers coach Mike McCarthy: Just win the route or win the play called;

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In other words, "I'm not smart enough to win the chess game, so I rely on 'match-ups.'"

“So much is made of scheme,” McCarthy said Friday. “Frankly, I think too much is made of scheme. At the end of the day, it’s about running your routes or defending the route or blocking your guy or getting off the block and eventually tackling the guy and getting the football.”


“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”
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He's right. Do what's asked of you. Lombardi's old saying...you should be able to tell the defense what you're doing and still gain yards.
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He's right. Do what's asked of you. Lombardi's old saying...you should be able to tell the defense what you're doing and still gain yards.

Originally Posted by: musccy 



Please tell me what the WRs or Rodgers were supposed to do in the last 4 plays of the game. Get open against 17 DBs in reduced space? If this shit actually works in practice then our secondary is garbage.

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9 years ago

He's right. Do what's asked of you. Lombardi's old saying...you should be able to tell the defense what you're doing and still gain yards.

Originally Posted by: musccy 



That's good in theory and all, but not very practical in today's NFL. At least not with the talent on the Packers roster.
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Please tell me what the WRs or Rodgers were supposed to do in the last 4 plays of the game. Get open against 17 DBs in reduced space? If this shit actually works in practice then our secondary is garbage.

Originally Posted by: luigis 



The 3rd and 4th down plays hit receivers in the hands.

The bigger point is the players aren't executing basic stuff. It was clear MM and AR were frustrated by Davante on the int, we can name numerous drops, the wrs can't figure out how to run an out pattern. This is about execution.
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9 years ago

The 3rd and 4th down plays hit receivers in the hands.

The bigger point is the players aren't executing basic stuff. It was clear Mike McCarthy and Aaron Rodgers were frustrated by Davante on the int, we can name numerous drops, the wrs can't figure out how to run an out pattern. This is about execution.

Originally Posted by: musccy 



Yeah, Rodgers played a good enough game to win, even if that still wasn't a "great" game.
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9 years ago

The 3rd and 4th down plays hit receivers in the hands.

The bigger point is the players aren't executing basic stuff. It was clear Mike McCarthy and Aaron Rodgers were frustrated by Davante on the int, we can name numerous drops, the wrs can't figure out how to run an out pattern. This is about execution.

Originally Posted by: musccy 



It's about Aaron's execution.

The rest of the guys aren't playing any different than when we were 6-0.
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9 years ago

The rest of the guys aren't playing any different than when we were 6-0.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



So it's ALL Aaron Rodgers. Yeah, that makes sense. About as much sense as those folks that think that Aaron Rodgers is blameless or that Dom Capers is a championship defensive coordinator.

It's impossible to conclude that Aaron Rodgers is the ONLY one playing differently. Rodgers didn't make the bad snap that led to him losing feeling in his arm for the rest of the game, he's not the one that isn't consistently getting separation on routes, and he didn't drop those passes that hit the receivers in the hands. There is plenty of blame to go around offensively.
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So it's ALL Aaron Rodgers. Yeah, that makes sense. About as much sense as those folks that think that Aaron Rodgers is blameless or that Dom Capers is a championship defensive coordinator.

It's impossible to conclude that Aaron Rodgers is the ONLY one playing differently. Rodgers didn't make the bad snap that led to him losing feeling in his arm for the rest of the game, he's not the one that isn't consistently getting separation on routes, and he didn't drop those passes that hit the receivers in the hands. There is plenty of blame to go around offensively.

Originally Posted by: DoddPower 



The biggest issue I have with this team is that it never shows up for a full 60. And if fact, they're showing up less and less.

Could Davante catch more balls? Yes. Could RR break a tackle. Theoretically.

But what is DIFFERENT than when we were 6-0? Aaron. He's not right. It also seems to me that he's scapegoating Davante.
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Look at how other team's WRs are getting open every play, but if you look at the Packer WRs, they are not getting any separation, which leaves AR out to dry.
I don't care how good your QB is, if no one is willing to go BEYOND the route to try to give him something to throw to, you can't blame the QB.
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Look at how other team's WRs are getting open every play, but if you look at the Packer WRs, they are not getting any separation, which leaves Aaron Rodgers out to dry.
I don't care how good your QB is, if no one is willing to go BEYOND the route to try to give him something to throw to, you can't blame the QB.

Originally Posted by: Cheesey 



Can you blame him when he throws the ball into the ground on a WR screen? Or when he sails it over the WR's head?

These are the same guys who were running routes and dropping balls when we were 6-0. Go back and look at James Jones's TDs. He was "open" on maybe ONE of them. Mike doesn't scheme guys to get open. He just expects them to "beat their guy." Which used to mean, "go up and get the ball."

Are you saying that all the WRs on this team suddenly forgot how to play at the same time?
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If you watched the games, YES. The WRs are NOT getting open.
Had AR had some bad throws? Yes.
But to act like Cobb, Adams and Jones have been playing well would be ignoring the truth.
Seems that you just want to heap blame on Rodgers and give free passes to the WRs and invisible TEs.
AR has missed some passes. But to me the majority of the lousy passing game is on the play caller and WRs.
That's my opinion at least.
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If you watched the games, YES. The WRs are NOT getting open.
Had Aaron Rodgers had some bad throws? Yes.
But to act like Cobb, Adams and Jones have been playing well would be ignoring the truth.
Seems that you just want to heap blame on Rodgers and give free passes to the WRs and invisible TEs.
Aaron Rodgers has missed some passes. But to me the majority of the lousy passing game is on the play caller and WRs.
That's my opinion at least.

Originally Posted by: Cheesey 



MAJORITY? No way.
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steveishere
9 years ago

He's right. Do what's asked of you. Lombardi's old saying...you should be able to tell the defense what you're doing and still gain yards.

Originally Posted by: musccy 



Except if it doesn't work for basically 6 weeks straight, expecting it to suddenly start happening is just idiotic.
DoddPower
9 years ago

The biggest issue I have with this team is that it never shows up for a full 60. And if fact, they're showing up less and less.

Could Davante catch more balls? Yes. Could RR break a tackle. Theoretically.

But what is DIFFERENT than when we were 6-0? Aaron. He's not right. It also seems to me that he's scapegoating Davante.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



You're right. The receivers have been very mediocre all season. If Aaron Rodgers doesn't play great, the Green Bay Packers are average at best. Very few other players will consistently show up, especially against quality teams.
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Except if it doesn't work for basically 6 weeks straight, expecting it to suddenly start happening is just idiotic.

Originally Posted by: steveishere 



He's saying execute basic fundamentals. Don't carry a football with chicken wings away from your body. Know when the hell to cut on an out or post. Look the ball into your hands before you run with it. This is the shit he's referring to that the players are doing inconsistently or poorly.
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Please tell me what the WRs or Rodgers were supposed to do in the last 4 plays of the game.

Originally Posted by: luigis 



Hold onto the damn ball when it hits your hands...

Too many dropped balls in the Bears game... and even a dropped TD in the last 4 plays of the game.

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I have never been a Janis fan. But he needs to hit the field. His speed alone will get him, or someone else open. Replace Davante with Janis this week. See what happens.
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Zero2Cool
9 years ago

I have never been a Janis fan. But he needs to hit the field. His speed alone will get him, or someone else open. Replace Davante with Janis this week. See what happens.

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Davante Adams has a lot more talent than Jeff Janis, but Janis has some break away speed Adams simply does not have. Since they worry about Janis catching the ball and Adams sure as hell hasn't been, I think it's stupid as hell to not trot Janis out on the field. Even Featherstone ended up catching passes with that blazing speed.

You trot Sam Shields and Jeff Janis on the outside with Randall Cobb at slot. That's gotta be good for one good play because what defense is going to expect that? Yeah yea, no defense would expect it cuz it's a dumb idea. Whatever. I would still throw Shields in at WR 5-10 plays a game to stretch a defense.
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Davante Adams has a lot more talent than Jeff Janis, but Janis has some break away speed Adams simply does not have. Since they worry about Janis catching the ball and Adams sure as hell hasn't been, I think it's stupid as hell to not trot Janis out on the field. Even Featherstone ended up catching passes with that blazing speed.

You trot Sam Shields and Jeff Janis on the outside with Randall Cobb at slot. That's gotta be good for one good play because what defense is going to expect that? Yeah yea, no defense would expect it cuz it's a dumb idea. Whatever. I would still throw Shields in at WR 5-10 plays a game to stretch a defense.

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Might as well try Peppers at TE too, he's not doing much on D.
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