nerdmann
9 years ago

Rookies entering the league have been handcuffed by the recent labor agreement

NFL rookie contracts have changed how agents do business with players 



In short, Ted doesn't even have to try and lowball anybody because the NFL rookie wage system already does this for him.

Originally Posted by: Mucky Tundra 



Yeah and Fuck Bert.
“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”
Smokey
9 years ago
Well as the CBA already lowballs rookies, why does Ted Thompson not pick the best (DB"s) players available instead of players from colleges competing with less than the best programs ?
Ted Thompson claims that he picks the best available players when he drafts, but I am far from convinced. Withholding money by not being willing to get good FA to fill needs, IMO, saves nothing. In addition, as stockholders don't receive any dividends, what is Ted spending that money on, his bank account ?
UserPostedImage
texaspackerbacker
9 years ago

Well as the CBA already lowballs rookies, why does Ted Thompson not pick the best (DB"s) players available instead of players from colleges competing with less than the best programs ?

Ted Thompson claims that he picks the best available players when he drafts, but I am far from convinced. Withholding money by not being willing to get good FA to fill needs, IMO, saves nothing. In addition, as stockholders don't receive any dividends, what is Ted spending that money on, his bank account ?

Originally Posted by: Smokey 



I've always been kinda lukewarm about Ted's way of doing things - he owes his reputation to drafting Aaron Rodgers. However, I will certainly defend his first and second picks in the last draft. We simply didn't have many urgent needs, and he went with potential and athleticism. Rollins stands a strong chance of becoming a star player; Randall possibly even more so, and where do you get the idea he came from a low quality school - Arizona or A.S.U., which is it? For that matter, most of Ted's recent first and second rounders have been from major colleges.


Expressing the Good Normal Views of Good Normal Americans.
If Anything I Say Smacks of Extremism, Please Tell Me EXACTLY What.
steveishere
9 years ago

Well as the CBA already lowballs rookies, why does Ted Thompson not pick the best (DB"s) players available instead of players from colleges competing with less than the best programs ?

Ted Thompson claims that he picks the best available players when he drafts, but I am far from convinced. Withholding money by not being willing to get good FA to fill needs, IMO, saves nothing. In addition, as stockholders don't receive any dividends, what is Ted spending that money on, his bank account ?

Originally Posted by: Smokey 



Arizona state was a top 20 team last year and Randall has been one of the top rookie CBs... Not that your money theory made much sense to begin with but your logic behind it completely fails. Ted Thompson doesn't withhold the teams money he spends it on players that are on the team. He signed the top WR and top RT in FA this last offseason (also held on to Peppers despite a large pay boost this year), the fact that they were in GB the previous year doesn't magically mean that money wasn't spent.
nerdmann
9 years ago

I've always been kinda lukewarm about Ted's way of doing things - he owes his reputation to drafting Aaron Rodgers. However, I will certainly defend his first and second picks in the last draft. We simply didn't have many urgent needs, and he went with potential and athleticism. Rollins stands a strong chance of becoming a star player; Randall possibly even more so, and where do you get the idea he came from a low quality school - Arizona or A.S.U., which is it? For that matter, most of Ted's recent first and second rounders have been from major colleges.

Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker 



Ted also built the Seahawks team that was robbed of a SB under Holmgren.
“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”
greengold
9 years ago

Players from quality schools like Florida State, Oregon, Ohio State, or Michigan demand more money and Ted Thompson knows it.

Originally Posted by: Smokey 



Ted Thompson doesn't know it because that is flat out wrong. Whatever player was drafted at #30 overall was getting a $4,016,897 signing bonus and a $435,000 base salary. It doesn't matter if that player was from Arizona State, Florida State, or Butte Community College.

Whoever was drafted at #62 overall was getting a $981,864 singing bonus and a base salary of $435,000. It has absolutely nothing to do with where they went to school.

Whoever told you that was trying to spin you up, and having some fun at your expense. They got you to make a fool of yourself in those post-draft threads. No need to continue being misinformed. [cheers]
gbguy20
9 years ago
what a dumb
BAD EMAIL because the address couldn ot be found, or is unable to receive mail.
Smokey
9 years ago
TT's GM role for the Packers began in 2005. He was born Jan. 17, 1953 in Atlanta, Texas. He grew up in Texas and attended SMU. He was an undrafted free agent for the Houston Oilers where he started in 8 games between 1975 to 1984 at LB. He served as a scout for Seattle before coming to GB. These are some of the draft picks he has made sense he became the Packer GM in 2005.

2005 - round 2 - 51st pick - Nick Collins - DB - Bethune-Cookman
2005 - round 7 - 245th pick - Kurt Campbell - DB - Albany (NY)
2006 - round 5 - 148th pick - Ingle Martin - QB - Furman
2010 - round 7 - 230th pick - C.J.Wilson - DE - East Carolina
2011 - round 6 - 179th pick - Caleb Schlauderaff - OL - Southern Utah
2011 - round 6 - 186 th pick - D.J.Smith - LB - Applachian State
2012 - round 4 - 132nd pick - Jerron McMillon - SS - Maine
2012 - round 7 - 243rd pick - B.J,Coleman - QB - Tenn-Chattanooga
2013 - round 7 - 216th pick - Charles Johnson - WR - Grand Valley State
2014 - round 7 - 236th pick - Jeff Janis - WR - Sagina Vally State
2015 - round 2 - 62nd pick - Quinten Rollins - DB - Miami (Ohio)

Only 1 of this list of 11 picks have paid off for the Packers, Nick Collins. The last 2 are still in question. The remaining picks never proved to be worth picking. All of these players came from, IMO, less than nationally competitive schools. 72% were comparative failures and poor draft picks.
Ted Thompson has a propensity for picking unknown players from week colleges that serve as easy wins for larger schools to pad their records upon. Yes it is possible to find a good player from such a college, as Nick Collins is an example, but they are very rare and wasting any opportunity to pick players from the best quality programs is poor management.

As Ted Thompson is a product from Texas, it is all to clear where he developed his football philosophy. Most things from there generally bullshit or have an over inflated opinion of itself.

UserPostedImage
buckeyepackfan
9 years ago
I'm not sure what year it was, but when the NCAA. Capped the number of scholarships at 85, that is when players from smaller colleges started being drafted more.

That is also why every year there seems to be a few upsets by the small guys over the big guys
Look no further than The MACC.
Not so long ago The Big Ten teams would
Load up on MACC teams early in the year , using them as warm up games.
Now those games are very competitive.

This is what Tedd and his scouts do so well, find the gems.

Smokey had a whole list of players that did not make it, I am betting there are just as many who were late round picks and UDFA's that did make it.
I was addicted to The Hokey Pokey, but I turned myself around!
Mucky Tundra
9 years ago

TT's GM role for the Packers began in 2005. He was born Jan. 17, 1953 in Atlanta, Texas. He grew up in Texas and attended SMU. He was an undrafted free agent for the Houston Oilers where he started in 8 games between 1975 to 1984 at LB. He served as a scout for Seattle before coming to GB. These are some of the draft picks he has made sense he became the Packer GM in 2005.

2005 - round 2 - 51st pick - Nick Collins - DB - Bethune-Cookman
2005 - round 7 - 245th pick - Kurt Campbell - DB - Albany (NY)
2006 - round 5 - 148th pick - Ingle Martin - QB - Furman
2010 - round 7 - 230th pick - C.J.Wilson - DE - East Carolina
2011 - round 6 - 179th pick - Caleb Schlauderaff - OL - Southern Utah
2011 - round 6 - 186 th pick - D.J.Smith - LB - Applachian State
2012 - round 4 - 132nd pick - Jerron McMillon - SS - Maine
2012 - round 7 - 243rd pick - B.J,Coleman - QB - Tenn-Chattanooga
2013 - round 7 - 216th pick - Charles Johnson - WR - Grand Valley State
2014 - round 7 - 236th pick - Jeff Janis - WR - Sagina Vally State
2015 - round 2 - 62nd pick - Quinten Rollins - DB - Miami (Ohio)

Only 1 of this list of 11 picks have paid off for the Packers, Nick Collins. The last 2 are still in question. The remaining picks never proved to be worth picking. All of these players came from, IMO, less than nationally competitive schools. 72% were comparative failures and poor draft picks.

Ted Thompson has a propensity for picking unknown players from week colleges that serve as easy wins for larger schools to pad their records upon. Yes it is possible to find a good player from such a college, as Nick Collins is an example, but they are very rare and wasting any opportunity to pick players from the best quality programs is poor management.

As Ted Thompson is a product from Texas, it is all to clear where he developed his football philosophy. Most things from there generally bullshit or have an over inflated opinion of itself.

Originally Posted by: Smokey 



All I see on this list is a bunch of 6th and 7th rounders that were either camp fodder or contributed minimally (CJ Wilson). And that's the entire point of those picks-take unknown guys and projects and hope they contribute something. And that applies to guys from big schools too.

Way too soon to know about guys like Rollins and Janis (as much as I'm tired of hearing about him, he does possess the tools; his ceiling is another matter that doesn't need to be rehashed here). The only we know that was a definite reach was McMillian.

And if you're going to lump Rollins into your list who came from a MAC school, you need to include Greg Jennings, Lang Starks and Sitton on your list. In fact, you're not entirely clear on what is a "week" college is. A quick look over the drafts shows plenty of guys from DI schools like San Diego St, New Mexico, Boise St etc that are not from traditional power conferences/football factories that you want players to be drafted from. Even a lot of the picks from big conferences came from schools that are inconsistent (Nelson from K-State, Quarless from Penn St) or considered bottom tier in conference (Cobb from Kentucky, Bahktiari from Colorado).

The big football factory schools like Ohio St, Alabama, etc only put out 8-9 picks a year out of 256 total picks for the draft and that's not even getting into retained players from the previous year or the position the players play. You'd have to draft one of their players every round for a decade to get a full 53 man roster and have every position covered. In short, it's not possible to construct an NFL roster solely from a half dozen of teams like Ohio St, Florida St or Michigan (I'm not sure why you included them in your list since they've been a dumpster fire the past decade; Michigan St and Iowa have been more successful). And that's not even getting into draft busts from big schools. Is wasn't long ago you didn't pick a RB from Penn St or a QB from California because it was thought they were system players who thrived against "week" opponents. Half the reason Lacy lasted like he did is because many thought Alabama RBs were made by their oline.

I can only imagine what your reaction would be if this were 1991 and GB drafted Favre in the 2nd round from Southern Mississippi.

Last but not least, who should GB have drafted instead of the players you listed above?
Under Construction!
Fan Shout
beast (33m) : Wow, 95% drop in investment revenue? Would be interesting to hear the details of why...
dfosterf (25-Jul) : It's my one day deal complaint dept. on shareholder meeting day
dfosterf (25-Jul) : Probably a homer access credential intimidation kinda thing
dfosterf (25-Jul) : Meathead "journalists" skip this, concentrating on operational revenue when convenient. They switch when net revenue is more favorable.
dfosterf (25-Jul) : Resulting in an actual drop of net revenue of 12.5%. She is from Minnesota. Just sayin'
dfosterf (25-Jul) : Any plans to hold Maureen Smith (CFO) accountable for a 95% drop in investment revenue?
Mucky Tundra (25-Jul) : In your face, HBO!
Mucky Tundra (25-Jul) : @ByRyanWood Mark Murphy: “A great source of pride of mine is that we were never on Hard Knocks.”
Mucky Tundra (25-Jul) : *years
Mucky Tundra (25-Jul) : @mattschneidman Mark Murphy says he anticipates “many Packers games” being played in Germany, Ireland and/or the U.K. over the next 5-10 yea
dfosterf (25-Jul) : *cafeteria* I have hit my head also, so I sympathize
dfosterf (25-Jul) : Possibly hit his head leaning into the glass protecting the food in the cafateria
dfosterf (25-Jul) : Maybe a low flying drone
dfosterf (25-Jul) : Did Savion Williams run into a goalpost or something?
Mucky Tundra (25-Jul) : also, no bueno when a guy starts getting concussions right off the bat in his career
Zero2Cool (25-Jul) : Concussion is worse. Banks probably vet off day via back booboo claim
Mucky Tundra (25-Jul) : @AndyHermanNFL Jordy Nelson out at camp today. No word if he’s in play for one of the two open roster spots ; )
dfosterf (25-Jul) : Is that better or worse than Banks bad back?
Zero2Cool (25-Jul) : Savion concussion ... not good.
packerfanoutwest (24-Jul) : Aaron Rodgers’s first pass of first team period was picked off
Mucky Tundra (24-Jul) : tbh I didn't hear of his passing
Zero2Cool (24-Jul) : Cosby Show. Malcom Jamal Warner I think is real name
Mucky Tundra (24-Jul) : I was thinking of Ozzy and Hulk
Mucky Tundra (24-Jul) : Who's Theo?
Zero2Cool (24-Jul) : How is Theo alliteration?
Mucky Tundra (24-Jul) : Bad week for people whose names are alliterations
Zero2Cool (24-Jul) : Hulk Hogan gone too.
Zero2Cool (24-Jul) : Oh, it's toe injury
Zero2Cool (24-Jul) : Hope it's not serious. that would stink
dfosterf (24-Jul) : Sounds like an ankle not a knee for Fields
dfosterf (24-Jul) : Ya Flaccp on Browns
Zero2Cool (24-Jul) : Maybe Tyrod Taylor instead
Zero2Cool (24-Jul) : He's on Browns, right?
dfosterf (24-Jul) : They would probably go with Flacco is my guess if Fields out
dfosterf (24-Jul) : Fleece 'em again!
Zero2Cool (24-Jul) : Malik Willis might be someone Jets come after
packerfanoutwest (24-Jul) : Packers introduce 1923-inspired classic uniform, leather-look helmet
Zero2Cool (23-Jul) : Both LB Quay Walker and Rookie DB Micah Robinson have passed their physicals
Zero2Cool (23-Jul) : Happy to see site feels more snappy snappy
Zero2Cool (23-Jul) : No sir. I did not.
dfosterf (23-Jul) : You didn't get free childcare when you were at work?
wpr (23-Jul) : These guys make hundreds of thousands of dollars a year. Pay for their own childcare.
dfosterf (23-Jul) : 2nd issue. Number 1 issue was no gameday childcare. 1 of 3 teams not providing it
Zero2Cool (23-Jul) : Suppose if locker room is main issue, we sitting pretty
wpr (23-Jul) : I thought so Mucky. In those useless player polls GB always rates high overall. Locker is a part of it.
Mucky Tundra (23-Jul) : Wasn't the locker room just updated like 6 or 7 years ago?
Zero2Cool (23-Jul) : I have forum updated on different site. We'll see how this one goes before going to that
Zero2Cool (23-Jul) : Elgton Jenkins has a back injury, is expect to end contract dispute
wpr (23-Jul) : It's funny the PA complained about the locker room. It wasn't that long ago it was top shelf. Things change in a hurry.
wpr (23-Jul) : The site is much more better.
Please sign in to use Fan Shout
2025 Packers Schedule
Sunday, Sep 7 @ 3:25 PM
LIONS
Thursday, Sep 11 @ 7:15 PM
COMMANDERS
Sunday, Sep 21 @ 12:00 PM
Browns
Sunday, Sep 28 @ 7:20 PM
Cowboys
Sunday, Oct 12 @ 3:25 PM
BENGALS
Sunday, Oct 19 @ 3:25 PM
Cardinals
Sunday, Oct 26 @ 7:20 PM
Steelers
Sunday, Nov 2 @ 12:00 PM
PANTHERS
Monday, Nov 10 @ 7:15 PM
EAGLES
Sunday, Nov 16 @ 12:00 PM
Giants
Sunday, Nov 23 @ 12:00 PM
VIKINGS
Thursday, Nov 27 @ 12:00 PM
Lions
Sunday, Dec 7 @ 12:00 PM
BEARS
Sunday, Dec 14 @ 3:25 PM
Broncos
Friday, Dec 19 @ 11:00 PM
Bears
Friday, Dec 26 @ 11:00 PM
RAVENS
Saturday, Jan 3 @ 11:00 PM
Vikings
Recent Topics
31m / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

37m / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

25-Jul / Around The NFL / Mucky Tundra

25-Jul / Green Bay Packers Talk / Mucky Tundra

25-Jul / Green Bay Packers Talk / TheKanataThrilla

25-Jul / Green Bay Packers Talk / dfosterf

25-Jul / Around The NFL / beast

24-Jul / Green Bay Packers Talk / Martha Careful

24-Jul / Around The NFL / beast

24-Jul / Green Bay Packers Talk / Mucky Tundra

23-Jul / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

23-Jul / Green Bay Packers Talk / wpr

22-Jul / Random Babble / Zero2Cool

22-Jul / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

22-Jul / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

Headlines
Copyright © 2006 - 2025 PackersHome.com™. All Rights Reserved.