A Few Thoughts· Page 5

greengold
Member

9 years ago

Ted Thompson has a propensity for picking unknown players from week colleges that serve as easy wins for larger schools to pad their records upon. Yes it is possible to find a good player from such a college, as Nick Collins is an example, but they are very rare and wasting any opportunity to pick players from the best quality programs is poor management.

Originally Posted by: Smokey

So why are you ignoring James Starks from Buffalo? Nate Palmer from Illinois State? Sitton from Central Florida? Greg Jennings from Western Michigan? Etc, etc. Donald Driver - not a Ted Thompson draft pick, What was Wolf thinking wasting a 7th rounder on a slug from Alcorn State? 🤣

steveishere
Veteran Member

9 years ago

#42

lol, no point in admitting you were wrong when you can just keep moving the goalposts I guess.

Barfarn
Senior Member

9 years ago

#43

2005 - round 2 - 51st pick - Nick Collins - DB - Bethune-Cookman
2005 - round 7 - 245th pick - Kurt Campbell - DB - Albany (NY)
2006 - round 5 - 148th pick - Ingle Martin - QB - Furman
2010 - round 7 - 230th pick - C.J.Wilson - DE - East Carolina
2011 - round 6 - 179th pick - Caleb Schlauderaff - OL - Southern Utah
2011 - round 6 - 186 th pick - D.J.Smith - LB - Applachian State
2012 - round 4 - 132nd pick - Jerron McMillon - SS - Maine
2012 - round 7 - 243rd pick - B.J,Coleman - QB - Tenn-Chattanooga
2013 - round 7 - 216th pick - Charles Johnson - WR - Grand Valley State
2014 - round 7 - 236th pick - Jeff Janis - WR - Sagina Vally State
2015 - round 2 - 62nd pick - Quinten Rollins - DB - Miami (Ohio)

Only 1 of this list of 11 picks have paid off for the Packers, Nick Collins. The last 2 are still in question. The remaining picks never proved to be worth picking. All of these players came from, IMO, less than nationally competitive schools. 72% were comparative failures and poor draft picks.

Originally Posted by: Smokey

Originally Posted by: greengold

I cherry-picked a list of big school picks from the other 31 GM's...
And comparatively TT's 72% of small school picks is way way way better; its #1.
Here's the 2nd best: Belichek-with much worse failures, much high picks:

#4 2013 Josh Boyce TCU
#7 2013 Micheal Buchanan Illinois
#2 2012 Tavon Wilson Illinois
#6 2012 Nate Ebner Ohio State
#2 2011 Ras-I Dowling Virginia
#5 2011 Lee Smith Tennessee
#2 2010 Jermaine Cunningham Florida
#5 2010 Zoltam Mesko Michigan
#6 2010 Thomas Welch Vanderbilt
#7 2010 Brandon Deadrick Alabama
#7 2010 Kade Weston Georgia
#7 2010 Zac Robinson Oklahoma St.

nerdmann
Premier Member

9 years ago

#44

Originally Posted by: greengold

Plenty of the players Ted drafted that didn't make our team went on to have careers elsewhere. They're good enough to be in the NFL, just not on OUR team.

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Mucky Tundra
Veteran Member

9 years ago

#45

2015 NFL Draft results by college: FSU, Louisville and SEC dominate

College Picks
Florida State 11
Louisville 10
Florida 8
Alabama 7
Miami 7

That's 43 picks from the top 5 schools who contributed to the NFL draft. Green Bay had 9 picks (7+2 comp picks) going into the draft. At best, they could only draft 9 out of 43 of those players or 20%. If GB still trades 2 picks for 1 like they did with New England, than that number drops to 18%. And that's not going into what other teams are doing, what positions those players play, current depth etc.

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Smokey
Veteran Member

9 years ago

#46

Originally Posted by: greengold

Ted Thompson is not Ron Wolf and my posting was focused on Teflon Ted. My comments were intended to show that Ted Thompson has a poor record of picking players from colleges that seldom show up, if ever, on the national "radar". That small % of poor draft picks can mean the difference between winning and loosing against the best of the NFL teams. It represents the difference between just getting the job done and putting forth the effort and care to achieve at the highest level.

greengold
Member

9 years ago

#47

My comments were intended to show that Ted Thompson has a poor record of picking players from colleges that seldom show up, if ever, on the national "radar".

Originally Posted by: Smokey

And you failed miserably.

beast
Select Member

9 years ago

#48

That small % of poor draft picks can mean the difference between winning and loosing against the best of the NFL teams. It represents the difference between just getting the job done and putting forth the effort and care to achieve at the highest level.

Originally Posted by: Smokey

And that picked list of small % of poor examples can mean the difference between a good meaningful post and an example of clear biased with attempting to force the viewpoint into a preconceived notions instead of letting the facts spit out the true results.

Your list is over 63.6% of players selected in the 6th and 7th round players, the drafted players that are least likely to make a roster much less a long term impact which makes your list seem clearly cherry picked looking for failures because that's the area players are most likely to fail which seems to fit your notion you're attempting to push.

And over 45.45% of that list are players in the 7th round... since we're arguing the Packers lets look at other teams... in 2015 draft the Packers didn't have a 7th round pick... yet in 39 picks in the 7th round of the 2015 draft, there were 35 different schools in the 39 picks... so clearly Ted Thompson and the Packers aren't the only one that's drafting a variety in the 7th round with a number of smaller schools added in. So the Packers aren't the only team looking at smaller school draft prospects as well.

Schools selected in the 7th round of the 2015 draft
Alabama (2)
Florida State (2)
Louisville (2)
South Carolina (2)
Baylor
Boston College
Central Arkansas
Eastern Washington
Florida
Hawaii
Kansas
LSU
Mars Hill
Marshall
Memphis
Missouri
Monmouth
Newberry
Northern Illinois
Northwestern
Northwestern State
Notre Dame
Oklahoma State
Oregon
Oregon State
San Jose State
Tennesse State
Texas
Tulane
USC
USF
Virginia Tech
West Virginia
William & Mary
Wyoming

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