musccy
9 years ago

I forgot about the genius Packers who don't want a star talent like that in their WR corps.

I'm not complaining at all about our WR corps...I'm ripping that article to shreds for how stupid it's premise and conclusion is.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 



None of this is to say that the Packers would, as a rule, turn down an opportunity to draft a more heralded receiver. (They did select offensive lineman Bryan Bulaga one spot above Bryant in the 2010 first round, however.) But there is more than one way to staff a passing offense, and the Packers' approach in the Rodgers era has yielded arguably the most efficient attack in the NFL.

I copied and pasted this from the article for you.

uffda udfa
9 years ago

None of this is to say that the Packers would, as a rule, turn down an opportunity to draft a more heralded receiver. (They did select offensive lineman Bryan Bulaga one spot above Bryant in the 2010 first round, however.) But there is more than one way to staff a passing offense, and the Packers' approach in the Rodgers era has yielded arguably the most efficient attack in the NFL.

I copied and pasted this from the article for you.

Originally Posted by: musccy 



The funny thing is...you didn't know it was in there until just now and went on to defend against what I was railing against.

I still wish we'd taken Dez. A brokedown good RIGHT tackle instead of a game changing defense changing WR. He was a major character risk, but man, in hindsight, we picked the wrong guy.

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nerdmann
9 years ago

This is a fair discussion, and the guy taking the pro-elite receiver position shouldn't be labeled a troll.

Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker 



Then he should neither BE one nor create a fake second identity to defend himself.



It would be really interesting to see how wild Aaron Rodgers could go with a true superstar receiver - as opposed to Good receivers made Great by Rodgers.

I will throw out two items - one in favor of the one position, the other in favor of the other position:

It's highly likely that some troublemaker super receiver - Josh Gordon, Justin Blackmon, Dez Bryant, etc. would keep their nose clean and be good citizens if they came to the Green Bay Packers ........ and

There's a good reason why it is so rare to find elite WRs on Super Bowl teams. The best teams tend to be smart enough to know not to draft top flight WRs in the first round because 1 perceived talent before the draft often doesn't correlate to NFL stardom and 2 the difference made by the best WRs compared to merely "good" WRs ain't that much.

I come out on the side of NOT drafting or going after in free agency superstar WRs, but it ain't as clear and obvious as some would make it sound.



We saw what happened with Bert FAvor and Sterling Sharpe. Everyone thought the offense was gonna struggle after we lost Sterling to that neck injury. The opposite happened.
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musccy
9 years ago

The funny thing is...you didn't know it was in there until just now and went on to defend against what I was railing against.

I still wish we'd taken Dez. A brokedown good RIGHT tackle instead of a game changing defense changing WR. He was a major character risk, but man, in hindsight, we picked the wrong guy.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 



You have an interesting way of admitting you're wrong. I show how you just wasted 6 pages of responses misinterpreting the message of the article, and your only retort is about when I read the article. Anyway...

Dez - 70 million for 88 catches, 1300ish yards, and 16 tds last year. Oh yeah, and Jerry Jones had to hire a babysitter for him because he was partying too much and there were reports of him assaulting his mother and stealing jewelry.

Cobb/Jordy - 80 million for 183 catches, 2700ish yards, and 25 tds last year. No babysitters required.

I have zero interest in Dez - talented, but an immature diva. I'm not saying an elite WR like C.Johnson is necessarily a bad thing. I just don't want Dez, and I don't think it's crucial to success. SB history would support this idea too...maybe the 2006 Colts were the last team with an elite WR?







uffda udfa
9 years ago

Then he should neither BE one nor create a fake second identity to defend himself.




We saw what happened with Bert FAvor and Sterling Sharpe. Everyone thought the offense was gonna struggle after we lost Sterling to that neck injury. The opposite happened.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



I have one account. 2nd fake identity? That's hysterical.

The Sterling point is a GREAT point...HOWEVER, the offense did improve after Sterling. Just like our O got better when we stopped trying to focus on Finley who was our most talented player. The issue wasn't with having a Sterling Sharpe it was with the way he was used. Same with Finley.

As for you, musccy...Demo goes off on this ridiculous article tangent and then works a throw away line into his piece later on because even he knows how idiotic his spin of how smart we are truly is.




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musccy
9 years ago



As for you, musccy...Demo goes off on this ridiculous article tangent and then works a throw away line into his piece later on because even he knows how idiotic his spin of how smart we are truly is.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 



It was Seifert, btw...and you completely glazed over my point about how the Packers are paying roughly the same amount, for roughly double the production of the babysitee down in Dallas. That, and SB history counter your point, so I suppose it's just easier to ignore it was said.

You went into reading that article and this whole thread with a preconceived notion that completely clouded what SEIFERT and everyone on here was trying to say.

buckeyepackfan
9 years ago
Seems to me that if you replace "Dez Bryant" with "Jimmy Graham", this whole thread is pretty much a repeat.

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uffda udfa
9 years ago

It was Seifert, btw...and you completely glazed over my point about how the Packers are paying roughly the same amount, for roughly double the production of the babysitee down in Dallas. That, and SB history counter your point, so I suppose it's just easier to ignore it was said.

You went into reading that article and this whole thread with a preconceived notion that completely clouded what SEIFERT and everyone on here was trying to say.

Originally Posted by: musccy 



I will admit when I'm wrong... you were right, it was Kevin Seifert...an old Minnesota beat guy who wrote the piece.

No pre conceived notion... to not want Dez type talent is ludicrous. To celebrate that you don't have it is even worse.
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sschind
9 years ago

You have an interesting way of admitting you're wrong. I show how you just wasted 6 pages of responses misinterpreting the message of the article, and your only retort is about when I read the article. Anyway...

Dez - 70 million for 88 catches, 1300ish yards, and 16 tds last year. Oh yeah, and Jerry Jones had to hire a babysitter for him because he was partying too much and there were reports of him assaulting his mother and stealing jewelry.

Cobb/Jordy - 80 million for 183 catches, 2700ish yards, and 25 tds last year. No babysitters required.

I have zero interest in Dez - talented, but an immature diva. I'm not saying an elite WR like C.Johnson is necessarily a bad thing. I just don't want Dez, and I don't think it's crucial to success. SB history would support this idea too...maybe the 2006 Colts were the last team with an elite WR?







Originally Posted by: musccy 



I'm not saying I disagree with you but you are talking 2 for 1. I would hope that any teams #1 and #2 WRs would out produce another teams #1. I think your argument would be stronger if you just concentrated on comparing #1s 88/1320/16/head case for Bryant 98/1519/13/no head case for Jordy. Given just that I would argue the Packers got the better of the deal.

nerdmann
9 years ago

Seems to me that if you replace "Dez Bryant" with "Jimmy Graham", this whole thread is pretty much a repeat.

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Originally Posted by: buckeyepackfan 



Only question that remains is, is Jeff Janis better than Dez Bryant?
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