DoddPower
9 years ago
Aaron Rodgers does much more to help his team win than JJ Watt does. To me, that makes him the better player. Is he the best athlete? Obviously not. Did he have an extraordinary amazing season for the position? It was very very good, but similar to others. Everything is skewed to benefit the quarterback position, too. But the fact remains, Aaron Rodgers does more of the most important aspect of the game: scoring lots of points.
sschind
9 years ago

Aaron Rodgers does much more to help his team win than JJ Watt does. To me, that makes him the better player. Is he the best athlete? Obviously not. Did he have an extraordinary amazing season for the position? It was very very good, but similar to others. Everything is skewed to benefit the quarterback position, too. But the fact remains, Aaron Rodgers does more of the most important aspect of the game: scoring lots of points.

Originally Posted by: DoddPower 



To play devils advocate I would say a QB is in a much better position and has many more chances to do more to help his team win than a DE. Assume for a second an even number of snaps for offense and defense per game. A QB is a critical piece of the play on half of the snaps per game. They do not take plays off. Even the best defensive players probably take a few snaps off (just guessing I don't know if Watt played every defensive snap) and opposing offenses can take steps to minimize any defensive players impact with their play calling. The fact that so few can do it for Watt is a testament to his greatness.

People complain all the time that you can't compare QBs from different eras but they have no problem comparing players from different positions. You said yourself that Rodgers' stats, while amazing, were not head and shoulders above other QBs stats. That is not the case with Watt.

I also don't buy into the whole "no one would trade Rodgers for Watt but everyone would trade Watt for Rodgers" talk either. Again, its comparing apples to oranges. Would you rather have the best QB in the game or the best defensive player. In a QB driven league the answer should be obvious but again, like you said, with everything skewed towards the QB position its not a fair comparison.

You made it clear that your main criteria was helping his team score points and on that I can't argue. I'm not knocking your choice or your reasoning just putting a little different spin on it.



texaspackerbacker
9 years ago
Watt is a fantastic player, and we're fortunate that he also has a connection to us. However, if he is out - for a game or a few games or a season, does he mean as much to winning and losing as Rodgers? Not even close. Yeah, QBs in general have an advantage that way, but there has never been a QB who performs like Aaron Rodgers.
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TheKanataThrilla
9 years ago

I also don't buy into the whole "no one would trade Rodgers for Watt but everyone would trade Watt for Rodgers" talk either. Again, its comparing apples to oranges. Would you rather have the best QB in the game or the best defensive player. In a QB driven league the answer should be obvious but again, like you said, with everything skewed towards the QB position its not a fair comparison.

Originally Posted by: sschind 



But what is not to get? To me best player has the largest trade value. Who would a person starting a new franchise given his choice select? It is Rodgers every day of the week. I am not bashing Watt in any way, but the reality he will never be worth more in the eyes of a GM than Rodgers.
uffda udfa
9 years ago
As the article points out... there are QB's who are in Aaron's class, but there are no DE's in JJ Watt's. This guy can dominate like no one else as a 3-4 DE. That's remarkable.

Watt is 26...Rodgers is 31. I would guess they both have the same amount of good years left in them.

Houston ain't done jack with their great DE... We have done much better with our QB. Flip the players around and we're Houston and they're Green Bay. The Scott Tolzien Packers would suck with Watt on D. The Houston Texans would be a playoff force with Rodgers.
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Zero2Cool
9 years ago

As the article points out... there are QB's who are in Aaron's class, but there are no DE's in JJ Watt's. This guy can dominate like no one else as a 3-4 DE.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 



Under this premise, I can't wait until a kicker has no one in his class!
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PackerTraxx
9 years ago
Rating as to how well the player played his position I have no problem with Watt as number one. If I was lacking at both positions and had to choose one player for my team there's no question it would be Rodgers.
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dhazer
9 years ago
You guys seem to be missing the facts and that is this was done by the fellow players, and I think they have a little bit more knowledge and say so in this then we do šŸ˜


I agree with what the players came up with and unlike everything that thinks Rodgers is god. You say Rodgers is by far the best player, but yet what do you base it off of? Stats well their are other qbs that put up better numbers. Wins and losses well once again there are qb with better records than the god. Lets try playoff records oops he isn't that good in them either. Is he a top 3 qb I would say yes, but to be honest I think I might even take Tom Brady over Rodgers. Hmmmmm lets see been to the conference championship 9 times in 13 years, and 6 super bowls in that same time period with 4 wins.


But anyway what has Rodgers done on defense? Watt has performed on offense and on defense and his peers recognize that thus the #1 ranking.
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beast
9 years ago

Robbed. MVP is more prestigious though.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



Yeah I see this like the MVP vs offensive player of the year award ... often times the MVP plays offense but doesn't seem to get the offensive player of the year award, because they don't want the same person getting both most years. Same here, someone different getting it.


Also on that note, I think it's kind of unfair the MVP (and Heisman award for that matter) always seem like it's either a QB award or an offense player award if the QBs don't amaze. Kind of wish they had more awards for different positions...

Like maybe an award for the best players at each position
Breaking up inside OL and outside OTs, as well as having 4-3 DE and 3-4 OLB as an "edge rushers" group, then inside DL and non 3-4 LB group, etc. Basically so they had to pick the best person at each position each season.

Then have some overall awards, like offensive/defense awards, which could be POTY (player of the year) or MVP type.



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Porforis
9 years ago

You guys seem to be missing the facts and that is this was done by the fellow players, and I think they have a little bit more knowledge and say so in this then we do šŸ˜

I agree with what the players came up with and unlike everything that thinks Rodgers is god. You say Rodgers is by far the best player, but yet what do you base it off of? Stats well their are other qbs that put up better numbers.

Originally Posted by: dhazer 



We can debate all day about what stats matter the most but I'm of the strong opinion that QB rating and TD:INT ratio are the most important for a team's success. Both of which Rodgers is king at.

Wins and losses well once again there are qb with better records than the god.



By that logic, Datone Jones is a lot better than JJ Watt. If you're going to argue wins and losses and hold that against Rodgers, I can't see how you can't do the same with Watt which would be a larger hit on Watt than Rodgers.

Lets try playoff records oops he isn't that good in them either.



In this case, Watt's disqualified.

Is he a top 3 qb I would say yes, but to be honest I think I might even take Tom Brady over Rodgers. Hmmmmm lets see been to the conference championship 9 times in 13 years, and 6 super bowls in that same time period with 4 wins.



Not going to argue with that. Hard to choose between Luck, Brady, and Rodgers. I think Rodger's a bit overrated. Not to say he's not great, but he's not a god.


But anyway what has Rodgers done on defense? Watt has performed on offense and on defense and his peers recognize that thus the #1 ranking.



I still don't get the logic of why someone performing on both sides of the ball gives him a huge jump on someone that plays on only one. Are players that play at some times on offense, defense, and special teams better than Rodgers and Watt? Or is their overall impact on their team more important?
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