PackerTraxx
10 years ago

I'm not trying to be negative at all, just asking a question. Why is everyone so much higher on our offense this year than they were last year. It's all the same players, and we currently have an unknown as the play caller.

Originally Posted by: gbguy20 



What uffda said. Plus we should/could be 4,5,6 deep at receiver this year. Bakhtiari and Lindsley should get better without any of the rest of the OL slipping. Even Lacy and Cobb are young enough they should improve.
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texaspackerbacker
10 years ago

What uffda said. Plus we should/could be 4,5,6 deep at receiver this year. Bakhtiari and Lindsley should get better without any of the rest of the OL slipping. Even Lacy and Cobb are young enough they should improve.

Originally Posted by: PackerTraxx 



Game planning means more than play calling, and I'm sure that will involve McCarthy, Clement, and Bennett.

I HOPE they get away from the idea that they need to establish the run. Pass first, pass second, run as a change of pace and when you are 3 or 4 TDs up in the second half. I also want to see LOTS of 3, 4, and 5 WR sets this season.

As was said, the continuity of having the same lineup as well as improvement from the two young O Linemen should make for improvement. Also, having better personnel on D should result in more offensive possessions/snaps.

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sschind
10 years ago

Game planning means more than play calling, and I'm sure that will involve McCarthy, Clement, and Bennett.

I HOPE they get away from the idea that they need to establish the run. Pass first, pass second, run as a change of pace and when you are 3 or 4 TDs up in the second half. I also want to see LOTS of 3, 4, and 5 WR sets this season.

As was said, the continuity of having the same lineup as well as improvement from the two young O Linemen should make for improvement. Also, having better personnel on D should result in more offensive possessions/snaps.

Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker 



I think you are going to be disappointed Texas. While we will always be a pass oriented offense MM likes to establish the run and with Lacy and Starks we have the guys to do it. Personally I like the balanced attack. The Packers were about 55/45 pass/run last year and that's a number I'm fine with. I know you'd like to see somewhere around 90/10 or so 😁 but IMO with a guy like Lacy and a backup like Starks its a waste if they don't get at least 20-25 carries per game.

steveishere
10 years ago

I think you are going to be disappointed Texas. While we will always be a pass oriented offense Mike McCarthy likes to establish the run and with Lacy and Starks we have the guys to do it. Personally I like the balanced attack. The Packers were about 55/45 pass/run last year and that's a number I'm fine with. I know you'd like to see somewhere around 90/10 or so 😁 but IMO with a guy like Lacy and a backup like Starks its a waste if they don't get at least 20-25 carries per game.

Originally Posted by: sschind 



I just think back to all the games last year when the offense would be in a rut and then Lacy would break a big run or a drive with several good runs and we'd score and the entire offense would get back on track. Having someone like Lacy just makes the passing game that much harder to deal with. He's a legit weapon, may as well use him.
texaspackerbacker
10 years ago

I think you are going to be disappointed Texas. While we will always be a pass oriented offense Mike McCarthy likes to establish the run and with Lacy and Starks we have the guys to do it. Personally I like the balanced attack. The Packers were about 55/45 pass/run last year and that's a number I'm fine with. I know you'd like to see somewhere around 90/10 or so 😁 but IMO with a guy like Lacy and a backup like Starks its a waste if they don't get at least 20-25 carries per game.

Originally Posted by: sschind 



I'd only be disappointed if the Packers fall short of the Super Bowl.

As for a waste, I'd much rather waste those two than possibly the greatest QB in NFL history, certainly the greatest right now. I think 90/10 is a stretch even for me, but I'd rather have something like 75/25 or 80/20. You don't need to establish the run if you have variety in your passing game.

Improved as it is, the O Line is still somewhat of a weakness; Aaron Rodgers has proven that he can thrive anyway - escaping, throwing on the run, etc. Lacy and even more so Starks only show up when the blocking is there, which often it isn't, and even then, they virtually never get more yards than a mid-range pass play. If we had a Melvin Gordon-like runner who was a threat to take it to the house with one little seam, it would be different. Lacy just ain't that way, and I wouldn't be surprised if Starks doesn't even make the team if either of those UDFAs look decent.
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warhawk
10 years ago
You have to be able to run the ball to open the offense up. If the opposing team knows the Packers are going 75/25 or more passing the ball they are going to game plan for exactly that. Where the Packers have improved is against teams that have set their game plan to defend the pass allowing for opportunity in the running game. There was a time when we couldn't run the ball even when the defense was saying "go ahead and try to run the ball." Those were most often very frustrating games to watch.

If you can run the ball it sets up play action and allows time for Rodgers to make plays vs. just lining up and going after him.

IMO the Oline is a very steady group. Keep in mind teams are going after Rodgers. They can't let him stand back there so they are bringing all sorts of pressure just like other teams see that have the top QB's. I think the Packers Oline does a very good job considering this. Factoring in a solid run game without doubt helps in this cause.

Sure, your going to gain more yards on a successful pass play than running the ball on average but what about the fact that the successful pass play happens, in part, because you have a decent running game. When a team has to play it straight up it allows successful plays to happen.

The Packers will probably have the best offense in the NFL and the run game will definately be a part of that. Now that they have developed a decent running offense it would be a huge mistake to decide you really don't need one. When this offense and Rodgers is clicking they are moving quickly interchanging pass and run right down the field and it's actually a beautiful thing to watch.
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texaspackerbacker
10 years ago

You have to be able to run the ball to open the offense up. If the opposing team knows the Packers are going 75/25 or more passing the ball they are going to game plan for exactly that. Where the Packers have improved is against teams that have set their game plan to defend the pass allowing for opportunity in the running game. There was a time when we couldn't run the ball even when the defense was saying "go ahead and try to run the ball." Those were most often very frustrating games to watch.

If you can run the ball it sets up play action and allows time for Rodgers to make plays vs. just lining up and going after him.

IMO the Oline is a very steady group. Keep in mind teams are going after Rodgers. They can't let him stand back there so they are bringing all sorts of pressure just like other teams see that have the top QB's. I think the Packers Oline does a very good job considering this. Factoring in a solid run game without doubt helps in this cause.

Sure, your going to gain more yards on a successful pass play than running the ball on average but what about the fact that the successful pass play happens, in part, because you have a decent running game. When a team has to play it straight up it allows successful plays to happen.

The Packers will probably have the best offense in the NFL and the run game will definately be a part of that. Now that they have developed a decent running offense it would be a huge mistake to decide you really don't need one. When this offense and Rodgers is clicking they are moving quickly interchanging pass and run right down the field and it's actually a beautiful thing to watch.
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Originally Posted by: warhawk 



I still say, the offense is better off if we pass more - pass first, only run rarely as a diversion, etc.

Check the years where the Packers offense was the strongest; I'm pretty sure you will find a lot of games like that - 75/25 and then some. Last year with the commitment - to some extent anyway - to run a lot, the offense, while still outstanding, regressed a little bit.

No, you don't need to "run the ball to open the offense up" - pretty much the opposite. You pass and pass and pass, the the defense is spread and open for the run. As I said, the Packers O Line, while getting better, still doesn't open a lot of holes, especially when the D knows a run is likely. The O Line is not exactly super at pass protection either, but time after time, Aaron Rodgers has proved he can get it to his receivers even though he has to escape the pass rush.

A "decent running offense" with Lacy means out of ten carries, you might get 2 or 3 no gains, 1 or 2 "big" gains - 10-20 yards, and maybe 5-7 "decent" carries - maybe 3-6 yards. If Aaron Rodgers throws the ball ten times, even if the other team knows it's coming, at least 5 or 6 will be as good or better than those Lacy "big" gains and only maybe 2 or 3 will be incomplete or sacks. I rest my case hahahaha.

"Don't screw with it"? That was my line when they people first started yapping about this run first crap.
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steveishere
10 years ago
You really think offense regressed last year? Last years offense was the 2nd highest since Rodgers has been here and was the 3rd highest scoring offense of the last 3 years, that's 3rd out of 95 teams. That's with Rodgers playing on a damaged calf for a good portion of the season.
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