Packers got a steal with Davante Adams in second round· Page 13

mi_keys
Senior Member

9 years ago

Not sure what your point is? I should think his TD vs. Dallas was some special play due to his unique ability? There isn't 50 or more WR's in the NFL right now who couldn't have made that play? It wasn't special.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa

No. That "special" was largely just another comment on "speed", which was the original point: that just about the only thing you talk about regarding receivers is speed.

Born and bred a cheesehead

uffda udfa
Veteran Member

9 years ago

#122

Younger. Stronger. Faster. Cheaper. How many reasons do you want? It is a game of replacement. Deal with it.

Originally Posted by: greengold

CHEAPER? Seriously? You're joking... I hope. Boykin came to us as a UDFA on try out basis after being cut by the Jags. Davante was a 2nd round pick. You think we were paying a UDFA more money than a 2nd round draft pick?

Speed? Ah, that's nonsense...it isn't any kind of way to judge a WR now is it? Speed doesn't matter at all. Boykin's hands were an inch and a half bigger than Davante's. Boykin had incredible hands...was smart and savvy. Was far more synced with Rodgers than Davante was.

It's a game of replacement deal with it? Wow. So should we cut Davante and replace him with Ty Montgomery this year? It is a game of replacement? No...we wouldn't do that. Why did we do it with MM's darling, Jarrett Boykin who was CHEAPER than Davante.

JB was an inch taller. Davante's arm length was a whopping 3/8 of an inch more. So catch radius is about the same but Boykin is taller. Davante jumped 3.5 inches higher. The real difference? Boykin was TURTLE slow. That's your difference. SPEED. We replaced a turtle with a show pony when we could've gotten a racehorse.

Ted Thompson sits on his hands per former GM: "because they’ve had 25 fricking years of great quarterbacks. Of course it works. Try it without a special quarterback."

greengold
Member

9 years ago

#123

CHEAPER? Seriously? You're joking... I hope. Boykin came to us as a UDFA on try out basis after being cut by the Jags. Davante was a 2nd round pick. You think we were paying a UDFA more money than a 2nd round draft pick?

Speed? Ah, that's nonsense...it isn't any kind of way to judge a WR now is it? Speed doesn't matter at all. Boykin's hands were an inch and a half bigger than Davante's. Boykin had incredibly hands...was smart and savvy.

It's a game of replacement deal with it? Wow. So should we cut Davante and replace him with Ty Montgomery this year? It is a game of replacement? No...we wouldn't do that. Why did we do it with MM's darling, Jarrett Boykin who was CHEAPER than Davante.

JB was an inch taller. Davante's arm length was a whopping 3/8 of an inch more. So catch radius is about the same but Boykin is taller. Davante jumped 3.5 inches higher. The real difference? Boykin was TURTLE slow. That's your difference. SPEED. We replaced a turtle with a show pony when we could've gotten a racehorse.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa

UDFAs are cheap for 3 years. Jarrett's 3 years are up. It would have cost $1.542M to keep Boykin this year. That is the lowest tender you can put on a 4th year RFA. Adams' cap number MAXES out at $1.25M in 2017. So yes, CHEAPER. YOUNGER. STRONGER FASTER. It is a game of replacement. Deal with it.

I thought someone who knew more than the Packers GM would know all of this.

steveishere
Veteran Member

9 years ago

#124

I actually liked Boykin as a WR but it seems Rodgers really didn't like him for some reason. He actually played 277 snaps this last year but only got 12 passes thrown to him. We saw he had enough talent to produce if he got the ball but there must have been some locker room stuff going on with him or something.

musccy
Veteran Member

9 years ago

#125

Originally Posted by: steveishere

Although I ultimately disagree, I understand where uffda is coming from with respect to perceived potential/productivity. However, it's more than just measurables, clearly there he was not wanted in GB any longer for reasons we may not know.

uffda udfa
Veteran Member

9 years ago

#126

Originally Posted by: greengold

In not tendering him, he was free to negotiate with ANY team. We lose our right of first refusal and he is an unrestricted FA.

Is he going to be CHEAPER?

So, on our team which is "draft and develop" one must be "drafted" to be developed? Boykin's two previous years of being with this team and being "developed" counted for nothing and we just decided to replace him with someone who is pretty much just like him save for the speed? The experience and camaraderie of being a Packer for three years with his production meant he should be replaced on a draft and develop team?

Again, makes a ton of sense to burn a 2nd round pick on WR who is basically Jarrett Boykin.

Steve must be on to something because it really doesn't make much sense.

Ted Thompson sits on his hands per former GM: "because they’ve had 25 fricking years of great quarterbacks. Of course it works. Try it without a special quarterback."

isocleas2
Member

9 years ago

#127

Watch his catches from the Packers/Cowboys playoff game, its a great sample of what he provides. He breaks atleast one tackle on almost all of the catches that game, including a couple of clutch 4th quarter catches.

On one of the plays his inside route is well covered but showing his poise for a rookie he breaks off the route outside and Rodgers finds him as the play breaks down.

A number of the catches are shorter routes where Adams doesn't burn by his defender but a well run route and quick first step leaves him enough separation to get the ball in. Once the pass is in his hands he uses his size to muscle through a couple corners and on the touchdown shows enough elusiveness to leave a linebacker/safety in his dust.

The last catch with 2 minutes and change is probably the best example of why you should be excited about Davante Adams. Its a catch he has to make, the ball wasn't in the best spot (a little high and inside instead of towards the outside shoulder). Adams though goes up and catches it at the high point and outworks the corner for the ball, then abuses him for another 15 YAC to seal the game.

Zero2Cool
Elite Member

9 years ago

#128

Originally Posted by: musccy

Jordy Nelson
Randall Cobb
Davante Adams
Jeff Janis
Jared Abberderis

And they probably figured the WR crop was deep and they'd land one in the draft.

That depth there is why Jarrett Boykin chose to go elsewhere in hopes of more playing time. Packers liked him on Special Teams, he wants to be a WR. This is similar to Desmond Howard back in '97 when Oakland promised him WR3. He took the money and the assurances.

Nothing clearly says the Packers did NOT want him. They did, as a Special Teams player. Regardless, I thought this was about Adams and his value as a 2nd round pick?? 😁

greengold
Member

9 years ago

#129

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa

For the 3rd time yes, that is how it works. Veteran guys make more money than guys still on their rookie deals.

If Adams proves himself worthy of a big contract he will get one starting in 2018. Like Randall Cobb did this year. If he is as you claim, nothing special, ho-hum, run of the mill (Jarrett Boykin 2.0)... Adams will be replaced by someone younger, cheaper, and possibly stronger, faster. That is how it works. It is a game of replacement.

Again, makes a ton of sense to burn a 2nd round pick on WR who is basically Jarrett Boykin.

Except Stronger, Younger, Faster, and Cheaper.

musccy
Veteran Member

9 years ago

#130

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa

Maybe I'm getting my PH members mixed up, but weren't you the one last summer criticizing the praise towards Boykin? It seems odd to now be using him to validate your argument.

I get what you're trying to say and I feel there is enough substance for a valid argument. That said, J.Worthy was a 2nd rounder too so the grass isn't always greener. The bottom line is we used a 2nd on a 22 year old making about 890k (less than our long snapper) who had some good production last year.

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