Yes , YOU go back and look, the ONLY player you said you thought was worth while drafting was Abby!

I forgot you post so much bullshit, you can't. Remember yourself.

Originally Posted by: buckeyepackfan 

I love your posts Barfarn but I don't like when you hold back for trying to make a point. You know full well that defenses play the run more with Eddie Lacy in the Packers backfield than they did back when James Jones was a rookie. Of course, when a defense is more focused on the run it's harder to run against it. It isn't about run average, it's about defensive commitment.

You really seem dismissive of 40 times when they aren't flattering to our players. It is, has been, and will continue being a major measure used by NFL scouts and GM's who are paid good money to find the right guys. There are examples of slower players performing quite well...Emmitt, Jerry Rice, Curtis Martin, etc...but if you had to choose, you would hope all your skill guys ran 4.3 vs. 4.4 or 4.5 or higher. How many times do you hear... He WOULD'VE gone a lot higher had her run better in Indianapolis?

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 

There's no holding back; given Favre's performances for the 6-7 year prior to 2007; my goal would have been to stop the run and put the game on BF's shoulders. Then he'd throw 6-7-8 INTs per game, of which 4-5 would be dropped by the D. 2007 was Favre's best year since his MVP run BECAUSE the run game was so effective. 2014 Rodgers was an infinitely more dangerous passer in the mid of DCs than 2000-06 Favre.

Both Adams and Jones were the 3rd option; in 2014 the 1-2 options were far better than the 2007 1-2 options [Driver and 2nd year Jennings, who missed 5 games combined]; It was easier in 2007 for Jones to succeed than Adams in 2014. And the run game in 2007 was a little better.

I am dismissive about speed; just like I'm dismissive about whether a guy eats Washington or Granny Smith apples...BECAUSE IT DOES NOT MATTER! Speed is MEANINGLESS!!!! As another pointed out, the fastest, Skeets Nehemiah, sucked.

It's FOOTBALL SPEED that is the critical measurable. Skeets had no football speed; Jerry Rice's FOOTBALL SPEED was amongst the fastest of all WRs of all time. Though CM3 runs the 10 yard in 1.49, which is much faster than my 2.48 [LOL, is it even possible to be this slow?]; if I recognize where the play is going one second before CM3 does; I'm faster to the play 10 yards away than CM3.

99% of the time WRs dont get separation with their legs; they get it with their MIND [Recognizing the perfect moment to cut]; then being open dont get them the ball unless the QB expects them to be there; the WR must KNOW where he's supposed to be and when. A WR being open meaningfully is about the MIND...not the legs!!!

Originally Posted by: Barfarn 

I understand what you're saying about attributes other than speed being important and they are, but to be as dismissive about speed on the whole is an odd thing to type, especially for you.

Now, that we've fleshed this out here it will be a blast following Adams and Janis this season. I honestly don't believe Adams will ever come close to being a great WR for us. Terry Mickens. That's him. Heck, Mickens was probably a lot stronger, too, but he did diddly and got few ops over the years. The guy is a possession receiver. He's Jarrett Boykin. Not sure he's really all that much of an upgrade as Boykin had tremendous hands and knew how to play. JB was a decent possession WR. In comparing a 2nd round pick vs. where JB came from, I don't think there's enough of a difference, if at all, to justify wasting a 2nd on Adams.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 

I disagree.

When Janis doesn't make the 53 and Adams goes onto to get 70+ catches, 10 TDs and 1000 yards, we won't even remember this stupid bullshit.

But you'll still have some Ted-hating bullshit to go on and on and on about.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 

There was a piece on him back after he was drafted saying he was very close to the range where a WR won't be drafted. He ran 4.56 at the combine. He was the 15th ranked WR for speed at the combine out of 17 guys. Only 15 were drafted.

Hopefully, I can find the piece because I know you won't take my word for it...he was dangerously close to not being drafted at all due to his POOR, and it was POOR 40 time. This is an issue. You can say it isn't because you don't want it to be but he lacks speed just like Jarrett Boykin.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 

I understand what you're saying about attributes other than speed being important and they are, but to be as dismissive about speed on the whole is an odd thing to type, especially for you.

Now, that we've fleshed this out here it will be a blast following Adams and Janis this season. I honestly don't believe Adams will ever come close to being a great WR for us. Terry Mickens. That's him. Heck, Mickens was probably a lot stronger, too, but he did diddly and got few ops over the years. The guy is a possession receiver. He's Jarrett Boykin. Not sure he's really all that much of an upgrade as Boykin had tremendous hands and knew how to play. JB was a decent possession WR. In comparing a 2nd round pick vs. where JB came from, I don't think there's enough of a difference, if at all, to justify wasting a 2nd on Adams.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 

I understand what you're saying about attributes other than speed being important and they are, but to be as dismissive about speed on the whole is an odd thing to type, especially for you.

Now, that we've fleshed this out here it will be a blast following Adams and Janis this season. I honestly don't believe Adams will ever come close to being a great WR for us. Terry Mickens. That's him. Heck, Mickens was probably a lot stronger, too, but he did diddly and got few ops over the years. The guy is a possession receiver. He's Jarrett Boykin. Not sure he's really all that much of an upgrade as Boykin had tremendous hands and knew how to play. JB was a decent possession WR. In comparing a 2nd round pick vs. where JB came from, I don't think there's enough of a difference, if at all, to justify wasting a 2nd on Adams.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa