greengold
10 years ago

If we had spent the 7 million we had left at the end of the season on an upgrade at MLB or 3rd WR or combination of both, we likely would have gone all the way also, even with Rodgers injured.

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins 



That money does roll over. If they had spent the 7 last year they wouldn't have $11M in cap space now. I'm pretty sure they will find a use for the money.



Porforis
10 years ago

A big part of the implosion was Matthews not on the field the last 2 drives in regulation. A slight upgrade at ILB or WR wouldn't fix that. Unacceptably bad special teams play obviously played a big part in the loss.

The only other thing is the Rodgers INT on what he thought would be a free play. Unless he was way off base or should have seen a flag before releasing the ball, I don't think he can be faulted for that.





Originally Posted by: greengold 



Or hey, a better CB so they don't give up a moonshot 2 pointer. Or better punt coverage so they don't give up a TD on a fake punt. Or an upgrade at the hands team so they don't give up an onside kick. Or better safety so they didn't give up that 30-some yarder after the onside conversion. Or slightly better at any other position where if the packers would have made one play they probably could have won.

Woulda coulda shoulda. Can't point to one play and say yup, that boned us, and we wouldn't have been boned if it weren't for that one guy.

One exeption maybe being slocum
PackFanWithTwins
10 years ago

I'm not sure how one slight upgrade in one position could have prevented that complete team failure versus Seattle. The result of the game had nothing to do with talent level (the first half shows that quite clearly) and quite everything about coaching problems, specifically not being able to prevent this team from imploding once it starts going downhill. Everyone not named Mason Crosby was responsible for that loss to a notable degree.

Originally Posted by: Porforis 



that one slight upgrade would likely have been replacement of Brad Jones at ILB, and having a 3rd WR that didn't disappear like keeping James Jones would easily have been enough. Not only to win that game, but also enough over the season to where the game would have been home instead of in Seattle.

That money does roll over. If they had spent the 7 last year they wouldn't have $11M in cap space now. I'm pretty sure they will find a use for the money.

Originally Posted by: greengold 



I'd give up rolling the cap space forward for a SB appearance and/or title.
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greengold
10 years ago

I'd give up rolling the cap space forward for a SB appearance and/or title.

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins 



Of course, but on the other side of the coin having your payroll right at the cap doesn't guarantee a SB appearance and/or title. Otherwise the Steelers, Saints, and 😊 Lions would win every year.

mi_keys
10 years ago

A big part of the implosion was Matthews not on the field the last 2 drives in regulation. A slight upgrade at ILB or WR wouldn't fix that. Unacceptably bad special teams play obviously played a big part in the loss.

The only other thing is the Rodgers INT on what he thought would be a free play. Unless he was way off base or should have seen a flag before releasing the ball, I don't think he can be faulted for that.





Originally Posted by: greengold 



Rodgers can't be faulted for taking a chance given what should've been and was a clear offside on Seattle. He can be fated for throwing the ball late and off the mark. Adams was open. The play should've been a touchdown.
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uffda udfa
10 years ago
Isn't the other side of the coin that he drafted most of these bums that he didn't extend? So, he's a good judge of talent years after the fact after he's saddled our franchise with draft picks who suck and aren't worthy of getting a new contract?
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earthquake
10 years ago

Isn't the other side of the coin that he drafted most of these bums that he didn't extend? So, he's a good judge of talent years after the fact after he's saddled our franchise with draft picks who suck and aren't worthy of getting a new contract?

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 



Most of the guys on this list are not bums but rather productive players, who in hindsight, happened to be on the decline and/or benefited from being on a winning team which boosted their market value and thus never lived up to the big contracts they signed in free agency. Thompson was able to correctly predict that these players would not live up to said contracts, and thus didn't shell out the money to retain them.

The flip side would be the players that Ted Thompson did overpay to retain, like AJ Hawk and Brad Jones, however I think this would be a much smaller list. Even if this was a long list, it would be outweighed by players who were worth their contracts like Aaron Rodgers, Jordy Nelson, Josh Sitton, etc.

It would also be interesting to go over all the free agents the Packer's were rumored to be interested in but didn't sign, who would or wouldn't have been worth it, for instance Stephen Jackson; however, without having more information (which players they really wanted and how much they were offering) that would be much more difficult to accurately put together.
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Smokey
10 years ago
TT's approach is to field a team with the least cost. The best players start on Offense or Defense. The remainder man the Special Teams. The Placekicker and Punter are very good, but they have narrow roles on Kickoffs and Returns. The rest who man the remainder are subject to inexperience on ST's as they were starters in college. IMO, the Packers need to find at least 2 High Quality "Gunners" that could strengthen and lead on ST's. Blocking and tackling machines that could raise the level of play.
Ted Thompson could find and hire such players if he had a mind to. Apparently there is cap money in the account. Linebackers are where, IMO, such players could be found. They need not be 1st or 2nd team starters, but specialist recruited to take and give physical punishment. Fast, strong, players that could open holes for Packer Return men and bust up returns of opposing teams.

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Barfarn
10 years ago

I agree mostly with Teds approach. but I do feel he has missed now a couple opportunities where he could have made moves to give the team a better chance at the SB and failed to do so.

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins 



Words and thinking that cannot be challenged..It’s perfect thinking, but it’s a verbal Escher staircase, there is no way to translate this thinking to reality.
Ted Thompson works 1 way; 31 GMs work another. Out of 31 GMs show me one that TOOK a “couple opportunities” and made the odds better of winning a SB. Last year, 31GMs TOOK a "couple opportunities;" but only 1 in 31 actually won!!!!! So you want to point to Revis and Browner. But if Denver won, you’d point to Sanders, Ware, Ward and Talib. If Bears, you’d point to Allen, Houston, Mundy. If Ravens, you’d point to...you get the point.

1 of 31 odds is pretty BAD, but it’s even worse than that!!!! Theses “couple opportunities” that these 31 teams took in 2014 have hurt their odds of winning in 2015. THIS IS TRUE FOR ALL OF THEM...ALL! So it’s like these “couple opportunities” work 1 in 62 or 1 in 93 times.

Odds of winning SB are 1 in 32; if you make POs every year 1 in 12; w/ bye every year, 1 in 8; if you go to POs every year and get a bye for half 1 in 10. TT’s refusal to indulge in these “couple opportunities” put GB 3x to 9x better depending on how stupid the other GMs were.

If Ted Thompson had a worthwhile “opportunity” he would have taken it if in his control. And for that one guy you get that you think gets you closer to wining; there’s 4 failures, [two of which are miserable failures] that not only get you further away in the instant year; but set you much farther back in subsequent years. Ted Thompson knows the odds and is playing them to perfection.
Zero2Cool
10 years ago

He was fine for that game. It was the mental aspect that cost us. Hopefully that has been rectified.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



Speaking after the Packers' OTA practice on Thursday, Rodgers also said the calf injury he dealt with late in the season and into the playoffs only recently healed.

"It definitely took a couple of months until I could really get into some workouts in the offseason where I could push it to the max," Rodgers said.

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