Uffda, I hereby invite you, as a prolific writer, albeit mostly wrongheaded in sports, to join the world of political posting. If you are a leftist - as I suspect even though you have yet to express it, Dakota could use some help - pathetic as he is, he is the only one of his sick kind with the balls to even try hahahahaha. If you have a decent outlook on things, well, I guess there is always room for another right-thinking American.

Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker 

Perhaps you hate the beach, perhaps you hate sand, perhaps you lack vision, however, I ask you to imagine yourself building a sand castle. You've put hour upon hour building this sandcastle. You gaze upon it with pride as your vision is becoming reality. Then in the matter of seconds some punk comes walking through your sandcastle, destroying it before disappointed sad eyes.

That is the most simplistic way I can explain how you made me feel with this inconsiderate attempt to get people talking about politics on our Green Bay Packers website of all things. How dare you! If you (and others) cannot respect that politics is something merely tolerated here and nothing more, politics will be abolished altogether.

Let us urge football discussions and if someone joins in an existing non football topic, so be it.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 

Sorry hahahahaha.

However, politics is life and death. I urge you to check out the movie "Sum of All Fears". It wouldn't take a helluva of a lot for the damn terrorists to DESTROY the NFL - make that ALL sports with a few terrorist events. Politics above all else, at least to me, is America staying on top and preventing that crap from happening.

I see no reason - particularly since you have segregated things into a "Random Babble" and a "Back Alley" why there can't be plenty of both kinds of discussion - football and politics.

This somehow brings to mind what the drill sergeant makes you march around and say in basic training if you refer to your rifle as your gun: "This one's for fighting; This one's for fun."

Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker 

Since when is there no separation between your makeup and beliefs verses how you conduct yourself?

You can be yourself, hold firm to your convictions, but still be able to at the very least try to project your thoughts with some basic decorum to others in the space.

Originally Posted by: Pack93z 

I'm one of those who thinks this place is more than just a place of entertainment, more than just another internet place where people with a common interest (here, Packer football).

I don't know why. I'm not going to go into an extended discussion now, simply because I'm too tired and worn out from usual shit in the non-virtual world I live and work in. But I do think this place is a real community.

Of course like all communities, real or virtual, not everyone sees or needs to see it that way. But I do think that it is the kind of community that Tocqueville said made America different and that was the real source of its greatness, the kind of community made up of over-lapping and intertwined associations, the kind of community where passions sometimes get out of hand and where sometimes everything seems ennui, the kind of community where people share the traumas and their successes of their lives, and where they spend a lot of time bitching about and gossiping with and getting pissed off at their neighbors. The kind of community where people keep grudges for months or years, and the kind of community where newcomers can find they don't have to "fit" with everyone.

It doesn't bother me that uffda sees it as only a place of entertainment. I've never been in a community where I want to be close to everyone, and I've been in one where I want everyone to approach me on everything.

And, despite getting pissed off and frustrated and annoyed regularly by various assholes people here, this is my favorite community online OR offline. And I know that some will find this last sad. But I don't.

Because the people here are real. And that makes it real.

Originally Posted by: Wade 

I do have a question though, how is it I miraculously start all these topics off tangents?

Originally Posted by: DakotaT