PackFanWithTwins
9 years ago
Look at the Cincinnati Reds coach. He went off on a 70+ Fbomb tirade the other day which wasn't acceptable, and the media and public crucified him. He came back the next day and apologized for what he said and the words he used. But followed that with standing by the meaning and intent of what he was saying.

Now I may or may not agree with his point, and surely don't agree with what he said trying to make his point. But I respect him for having the spine to stand behind what he was trying to say in an era where it seems everybody comes out after saying something that offended somebody by saying. I didn't mean what I said.

With the exception of when joking. If I say something, I mean what I say. I like the Reds coach may not always pick the right words to express it, but I won't back off on the idea, issue or point I was making to be politically correct.
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Cheesey
9 years ago
The only way you can learn is if you are at least willing to listen to the opinions of others.
Too many people close their minds to what people that have other views think.
You can't make an honest opinion if you don't look at both sides before deciding what to believe.
Try to make your points without thinking about HOW you say it.
People do have feelings.
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texaspackerbacker
9 years ago
Interesting, Very Interesting ....... Well, Not Really.

There's a lot of distinction without a difference going on here, a lot of waxing eloquent and saying not much. There's also reminders that "freedom of speech" does not translate directly to "freedom to be heard/read" in a public but privately owned forum. Uh, OK, I guess that's something I can live with, although it can be annoying at times.

As for apologies, SAYING "sorry" is something that happens a helluva lot more than BEING "sorry". One of those distinctions without a difference I mentioned was the thing about apologizing for who you are compared to what you do and say, as some HUGE percentage of the time, what you do and say IS a reflection of who you are. We see that over and over in here and elsewhere both in a positive and negative way.

This post also is probably an example of waxing eloquent without saying much ...... SORRY! ....... Oops, there's another one of those disingenuous apologies hahahaha.
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Zero2Cool
9 years ago

The only way you can learn is if you are at least willing to listen to the opinions of others.
Too many people close their minds to what people that have other views think.
You can't make an honest opinion if you don't look at both sides before deciding what to believe.
Try to make your points without thinking about HOW you say it.
People do have feelings.
This place has been a safe haven for me. When I had my heart surgery many of my friends here cared enough to actually do things for me. You don't find that on many web sites.
So I have a much deeper love for this site then any other site I have visited.
This place has people that actually care about others.
That is ️thanks to KEVIN!

Originally Posted by: Cheesey 



If fans here are more active in reporting offensive posts, it will continue to be a pleasant environment where everyone can voice their various opinions while still being respected at the same time. One goal here is to be able to discuss any topic without name calling, labeling or personal attacks. I think that is something we would all enjoy. If someone wants to ask a political question, they shouldn't have to read through responses of how "those stupid effing leftists" blah blah. That kind of stuff just ruins the authors point and kills the topic.

Yes, I know we have hit a bumpy road in the past, but I've decided to back down on some of my core administrative approaches. I have always hated editing someones post, but perhaps if they make a good point and then a personal attack, it is better to edit out the personal attack and leave the good point? It feels icky, but it might be what is best for all.
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texaspackerbacker
9 years ago

If fans here are more active in reporting offensive posts, it will continue to be a pleasant environment where everyone can voice their various opinions while still being respected at the same time. One goal here is to be able to discuss any topic without name calling, labeling or personal attacks. I think that is something we would all enjoy. If someone wants to ask a political question, they shouldn't have to read through responses of how "those stupid effing leftists" blah blah. That kind of stuff just ruins the authors point and kills the topic.

Yes, I know we have hit a bumpy road in the past, but I've decided to back down on some of my core administrative approaches. I have always hated editing someones post, but perhaps if they make a good point and then a personal attack, it is better to edit out the personal attack and leave the good point? It feels icky, but it might be what is best for all.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



hahahahaha what happened to "let's stick to the topic of the thread"? Maybe you should give yourself some time off.

At the risk of offending any silly sensitivities, I just have to ask, HOW exactly is making derogatory - and very valid - GENERALIZED remarks about a particular political persuasion - strange and kinda sick you chose the you did to criticize ("those stupid effing leftists") - HOW is that equivalent to "name calling, labeling or personal attacks" of fellow posters?

If I say "God damned America-hating/terrorist supporting Muslims", for example - without labeling any poster that way, HOW is that not only TRUE, but entirely fitting to be posted in Random Babble or Back Alley?

For the record, MY last post was about the concept of feeling the need to apologize - or not - the topic of the thread. YOUR post jumped the tracks ........ just sayin' hahahaha - I, for one, think the track-jumping is more interesting - as is almost always the case.

I don't know where that "smiley" came from. I didn't put it in hahahaha.
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