do we grade Aaron on his scrambling ability or look at the total package to determine his value as a qb? I never said Ted was/n't a great drafter, I just said subjective draft grades don't tell us much of anything.

As greenngold just wrote, draft grades ignore the udfas which are a part of a draft process and as I alluded to with my Aaron Rodgers analogy, however well you or some interent analyst grade his past drafts are meaningless...what is the total body of work with cap management, the draft, udfa, retention, free agency, etc?

Originally Posted by: musccy 

AJ Hawk for where he was drafted was a miss. The author of that puff piece even acknowledged Hawk never lived up to his promise. I would call that a miss. Same with Colledge. Never a good player. A tick below average Olineman. Yes, he got money from AZ but Erik Walden got money from Indy. If Hawk and Colledge are your building blocks your house is going to crumble. Had Hawk and Colledge been 5th and 6th rounders they're still just decent picks...not great players.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 

AJ Hawk for where he was drafted was a miss. The author of that puff piece even acknowledged Hawk never lived up to his promise. I would call that a miss. Same with Colledge. Never a good player. A tick below average Olineman. Yes, he got money from AZ but Erik Walden got money from Indy. If Hawk and Colledge are your building blocks your house is going to crumble. Had Hawk and Colledge been 5th and 6th rounders they're still just decent picks...not great players.

Oh, I forgot to reemphasize Ted Thompson has been good at drafting WR's...that and UDFA's like Tramon and Sammy are his strengths.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 

Again with the extremes. I never said Hawk and Colledge were great players. I said they played in the NFL for 9 years. Plenty of draft picks (even first rounders!) don't last 5 years in the NFL. That is a miss. There is a HUGE difference between being a great player, playing for 9 years, and being a miss (IMO.)

Again, I don't know the pedigree of the guy you quoted, but it didn't look like he accounted for where they were drafted, just "good" or "miss" for the most part. I'm sorry if that offends you.

Originally Posted by: greengold 

Retaining your own is still part of the calculated risks with a roster and cap, though. Belichck has been lauded in hindsight for knowing when to let guys go.

I agree about Jenkins and overpaying Bulaga, but letting EDS walk for a cheap replacement worked, same with Greg and James Jones...it's more than just who you're retaining, it's knowing who to retain and let go.

Originally Posted by: musccy 

Cullen Jenkins had me scratching my head, maybe that was a mistake. I think the Eagles overpaid him. You can't keep them all.

Bulaga I think was given a fair contract. Of course if he spends the next two years on IR I will be proven wrong on that! 😊

The others, Jennings, Jones, EDS, don't forget Newhouse. You gotta guess right on who to keep and who to cut ties with to manage the cap. 👍

Originally Posted by: greengold 

Cullen Jenkins had me scratching my head, maybe that was a mistake. I think the Eagles overpaid him. You can't keep them all.

Bulaga I think was given a fair contract. Of course if he spends the next two years on IR I will be proven wrong on that! 😊

The others, Jennings, Jones, EDS, don't forget Newhouse. You gotta guess right on who to keep and who to cut ties with to manage the cap. 👍

Originally Posted by: greengold 

Again with the extremes. I never said Hawk and Colledge were great players. I said they played in the NFL for 9 years. Plenty of draft picks (even first rounders!) don't last 5 years in the NFL. That is a miss. There is a HUGE difference between being a great player, playing for 9 years, and being a miss (IMO.)

Again, I don't know the pedigree of the guy you quoted, but it didn't look like he accounted for where they were drafted, just "good" or "miss" for the most part. I'm sorry if that offends you.

Originally Posted by: greengold 

Do you know why I did that? I would be charged with my anti-TT bias. You wouldn't respect what I have to say because you don't on what I've said about TT. Anything I say about him is going to be written off due to the messenger. It doesn't matter how true and correct it is.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 

Cullen Jenkins had me scratching my head, maybe that was a mistake. I think the Eagles overpaid him. You can't keep them all.

Bulaga I think was given a fair contract. Of course if he spends the next two years on IR I will be proven wrong on that! 😊

The others, Jennings, Jones, EDS, don't forget Newhouse. You gotta guess right on who to keep and who to cut ties with to manage the cap. 👍

Originally Posted by: greengold