Ron Wolf: Legend. Ted Thompson: Failure.· Page 17

Zero2Cool
Elite Member

9 years ago

#161

LMAO, love it. Instead of grading himself, he copies the work of someone else!!

What merits an A grade?

Smokey
Veteran Member

9 years ago

#162

What merits an A grade?

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool

EGGS !!

😂

uffda udfa
Veteran Member Topic Starter

9 years ago

#163

LMAO, love it. Instead of grading himself, he copies the work of someone else!!

What merits an A grade?

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool

Do you know why I did that? I would be charged with my anti-TT bias. You wouldn't respect what I have to say because you don't on what I've said about TT. Anything I say about him is going to be written off due to the messenger. It doesn't matter how true and correct it is.

Ted Thompson sits on his hands per former GM: "because they’ve had 25 fricking years of great quarterbacks. Of course it works. Try it without a special quarterback."

musccy
Veteran Member

9 years ago

#164

Who cares about grading individual drafts? If I'm interviewing a new employee out of college, I don't care about their Calc 2 grade, I care about the sum of the parts and overall skills. Is Sam Shields reflected in this?

uffda udfa
Veteran Member Topic Starter

9 years ago

#165

Originally Posted by: musccy

Of course you don't care...it's not very impressive. It's nowhere near stellar. He's not that good. Never has been. BTW, you only voiced your objection to his draft grades once you actually looked. So much easier to not look and say he's great isn't it? I asked someone to do this several times and nary a mention that it didn't matter until you saw it. That's classic.

No, let's dub Ted Thompson a stellar drafter and write posts extolling his virtues as a drafter and hammer the guy who says he isn't and then when his draft grades over the years roll in we'll just dismiss that because it really really hurts our argument that Ted Thompson is something special.

Matt Millen could take this Packers team to a divisional title with Aaron Rodgers. Ted Thompson does nothing special other than do a very good job finding street players. I applaud him for that. Overall, he's a slight above average bean counting GM who cares more about 5 years from now than next season. Enjoy the 2015 season knowing your GM is more concerned with 2020.

Ted Thompson sits on his hands per former GM: "because they’ve had 25 fricking years of great quarterbacks. Of course it works. Try it without a special quarterback."

uffda udfa
Veteran Member Topic Starter

9 years ago

#166

Just had to share this because it epitomizes what I feel I deal with here as shown by a very bright poster trying to fend off a Ted Thompson minion...it's just beautiful to read. (from my perspective)

old66
@benvandehey
But Ted Thompson did draft him after so many others passed on him.. What you say is something like if we got rid of all the rainy days in Wisconsin we would be a desert.

benvandehey
@old66
No. What I am saying is: "if it wasn't for that freak storm of the century, we would have had about average rainfall for the last 10 years."

---Nailed it. Perfecto. benvandehey is my kinda guy. Logic. It is hard for some.

Ted Thompson sits on his hands per former GM: "because they’ve had 25 fricking years of great quarterbacks. Of course it works. Try it without a special quarterback."

greengold
Member

9 years ago

#167

---I don't see a stellar drafter above. Do you?

A little above average just like I've been saying. Barely ever uses FA so can't grade him on that. He's good with UDFA's who turn into decent players. No superstars. We think because he doesn't add gamechangers and can find middling players off the street that that makes him great? No. He's cheap and uses the dollar store to fill out the roster.

So, to recap...not a great drafter...not great at using FA...good at UDFA acquisition. Sounds like a little above average to me. Not sure how you see it any other way.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa

I was hoping to see your grades as well. One point- there is a HUGE divide in my mind between "stellar" and "a little above average." Stellar implies #1 or #2 every year. Or ZERO misses. Something no GM does.

A little above average implies drafting worse than 10-15 GMs most years. I have a feeling, no I can't prove it, that there aren't 10 or 15 GMs who consistently outdraft Ted.

I also, maybe I'm too generous, lump the UDFAs in when I look at a draft class. Those are guys he identifed and recruited. I think a big part of drafting is knowing who you have to spend a draft pick on and who you don't. Does the 2010 draft look better if you call Shields a 7th rounder?

Finally, I promised to read your analysis with an open mind. I haven't seen your analysis. But that first guy you quoted with just the first 5 drafts doesn't look to have put a lot of thought into it. I.E. calling the first 2 picks in 2006 "miss." Those guys played in the NFL for 9 years. He gives them a "miss," same grade he gave a guy that got cut during the first training camp.

uffda udfa
Veteran Member Topic Starter

9 years ago

#168

Originally Posted by: greengold

AJ Hawk for where he was drafted was a miss. The author of that puff piece even acknowledged Hawk never lived up to his promise. I would call that a miss. Same with Colledge. Never a good player. A tick below average Olineman. Yes, he got money from AZ but Erik Walden got money from Indy. If Hawk and Colledge are your building blocks your house is going to crumble. Had Hawk and Colledge been 5th and 6th rounders they're still just decent picks...not great players.

Oh, I forgot to reemphasize Ted Thompson has been good at drafting WR's...that and UDFA's like Tramon and Sammy are his strengths.

Ted Thompson sits on his hands per former GM: "because they’ve had 25 fricking years of great quarterbacks. Of course it works. Try it without a special quarterback."

musccy
Veteran Member

9 years ago

#169

do we grade Aaron on his scrambling ability or look at the total package to determine his value as a qb? I never said Ted was/n't a great drafter, I just said subjective draft grades don't tell us much of anything.

As greenngold just wrote, draft grades ignore the udfas which are a part of a draft process and as I alluded to with my Aaron Rodgers analogy, however well you or some interent analyst grade his past drafts are meaningless...what is the total body of work with cap management, the draft, udfa, retention, free agency, etc?

mi_keys
Senior Member

9 years ago

#170

I didn't realize posting the opinions of obscure internet personalities constituted objective analysis.

Born and bred a cheesehead

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