steveishere
10 years ago

Of course, your 40 time has no impact on the other numbers. Are things as regulated at a USF pro day as they are in Indy? I don't honestly know. You were trying to find reasons why his #'s were so different. You concluded it must've been Barrington not being himself. I'm not as sure of that as you are and wonder if it wasn't the fact that things aren't the same as they are in Indy. How exactly does a guy improve on numbers in 62 degrees and lots of wind vs. a nice comfortable 75 and indoors? Sam lives in FLORIDA. 62 is a cold day for him. I find it curious his muscles would be looser at 62 degrees and wind than they would vs. being in climate controlled Indy. Makes no sense. It is more plausible that things were just a little different at USF than Indy not that Sam was injured. If Sam was injured he and his agent are two of the dumbest people around. You don't go out and put up numbers while injured that can ruin your ability to be drafted or get picked up later as a UDFA when you know you have a pro day coming.

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No I just concluded that it's more likely something effected his numbers than some home cooking conspiracy. If his more objective measures that would be hard to fake like jumps were even close and just his timed things went way down then I'd be more likely to think they were just giving him generous times which they probably did anyways but coupling that with the way he plays I just don't see any reason to believe the dude isn't athletic.
uffda udfa
10 years ago

No I just concluded that it's more likely something effected his numbers than some home cooking conspiracy. If his more objective measures that would be hard to fake like jumps were even close and just his timed things went way down then I'd be more likely to think they were just giving him generous times which they probably did anyways but coupling that with the way he plays I just don't see any reason to believe the dude isn't athletic.

Originally Posted by: steveishere 



Desmond Bishop was a nice performer for us...was he athletic? No.

Why does someone playing well indicate they're athletic? Barrington can be a fine player and not athletic. It's not mutually exclusive... I just lamented he wasn't more athletic...IE: Too slow. I would prefer our LB's have better speed. Brad Jones had unreal speed for a LB but he isn't the player Sam is.

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nerdmann
10 years ago

Desmond Bishop was a nice performer for us...was he athletic? No.

Why does someone playing well indicate they're athletic? Barrington can be a fine player and not athletic. It's not mutually exclusive... I just lamented he wasn't more athletic...IE: Too slow. I would prefer our LB's have better speed. Brad Jones had unreal speed for a LB but he isn't the player Sam is.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 



Bishop was a thumper against the run. There were times when he met Apete in the hole and flat out stoned him. But he wouldn't be my first choice in coverage.

Barrington seems to be a little more agile.
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nerdmann
10 years ago
Bottom line is that this D has needed veteran leadership for years. The Dbacks had it until we lost Woody. Tramon was more of a silent leader. But we haven't had much of it up front.

So if Barrington wants to be that guy, he's welcome to take his best shot. Daniels was attempting to do so last year, he acquitted himself pretty well.
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Bigbyfan
10 years ago
Since when was a 40 time the deciding factor whether a player is athletic or not?
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Smokey
10 years ago

Since when was a 40 time the deciding factor whether a player is athletic or not?

Originally Posted by: Bigbyfan 



Speed is relative to the position. CB's need speed as do LB's as well. As for WR's , if your tricky , then speed is not always the 1st priority. Gunners on Special Teams need speed , but speed is not so important for a Center.
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Zero2Cool
10 years ago

Since when was a 40 time the deciding factor whether a player is athletic or not?

Originally Posted by: Bigbyfan 



Straight line 40 yard speed is useless. I mean, how often do you see players running in 40 yards in a straight line? I'm more interested in shuttle side to side speed when it comes to linebackers.
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DoddPower
10 years ago

Straight line 40 yard speed is useless. I mean, how often do you see players running in 40 yards in a straight line? I'm more interested in shuttle side to side speed when it comes to linebackers.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



I mean, I don't think 40 times are useless by any means. They certainly don't tell the whole picture, but I think it's fair to say 40 times are well-correlated to a players game speed. Players with fast 40 times are generally fast on the football field, and conversely, players with slow 40 times are generally slower than those with better 40 times. As with any individual or positional drill, it is an indicator, and nothing more. But it's a useful metric.
uffda udfa
10 years ago
Barrington didn't do the 3 coner at the combine... probably realized his 40 time sucked big time and it wasn't smart to do even further damage with the 3 cone.

It just amazes me the level of defense provided to Barrington because he's a Packer. Anyone who follows the NFL closely knows that 4.91 is a horrific 40 time for a LB. Datone, who came out the same year, ran a 4.80 at 283lbs. Sharrif Floyd ran 4.92 at 297lbs.

For a LB to run 4.91... Wow, just wow. B-R-U-T-A-L. Make any excuse you'd like. The 40 time is one of the most influential tools in the NFL draft.

Chris Borland, noted for his total lack of athleticism, ran a 4.83, which was HORRIBLE. Somehow, Barrington is being defended for running 4.91? He lasted until the 7th for a reason and I guarantee 4.91 was chief among them.
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Bigbyfan
10 years ago
My issue has nothing to do with him being a Packer. My issue was with you calling him unathletic because of a 40 time. He definitely looks like an athlete on the football field.



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