nerdmann
10 years ago

“I’m not approaching it that it ‘could’ be. I’m approaching like it is. When you take out all the pleasing everybody’s emotions, I’m the veteran inside linebacker. It’s my defense. What’s mine right now is mine to lose. So I approach it with a serious mentality.”

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I like the attitude.

He's earned his shot. Let's see him make the most of it!
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uffda udfa
10 years ago

I like the attitude.

He's earned his shot. Let's see him make the most of it!

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



His attitude is what is most inspiring about him...he's not a marshmallow like the guys he's replacing.

Sadly, he's limited like Desmond Bishop was by his poor athleticism. I really do like a pairing featuring him and Clay. Both of those guys are relentless and with Clay there is athleticism at the position.




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nerdmann
10 years ago

His attitude is what is most inspiring about him...he's not a marshmallow like the guys he's replacing.

Sadly, he's limited like Desmond Bishop was by his poor athleticism. I really do like a pairing featuring him and Clay. Both of those guys are relentless and with Clay there is athleticism at the position.



Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 



He's limited by poor athleticism? lol
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steveishere
10 years ago

His attitude is what is most inspiring about him...he's not a marshmallow like the guys he's replacing.

Sadly, he's limited like Desmond Bishop was by his poor athleticism. I really do like a pairing featuring him and Clay. Both of those guys are relentless and with Clay there is athleticism at the position.



Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 



I know it's typical for a players times to get better at a pro day but I think something was wrong with Barrington at the combine because at his pro day all of his #s went way up even objective stuff like broad and vertical jump. Based on his pro day numbers he was one of the most athletic guys in that whole draft and even if there was a boost for times because of a pro day it still doesn't point toward poor athleticism.
uffda udfa
10 years ago

He's limited by poor athleticism? lol

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



You tell me the last time a LB who ran 4.91 at the combine was considered to be "athletic". DE's are faster than that.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2013/profiles/sam-barrington?id=2540280 
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uffda udfa
10 years ago

I know it's typical for a players times to get better at a pro day but I think something was wrong with Barrington at the combine because at his pro day all of his #s went way up even objective stuff like broad and vertical jump. Based on his pro day numbers he was one of the most athletic guys in that whole draft and even if there was a boost for times because of a pro day it still doesn't point toward poor athleticism.

Originally Posted by: steveishere 



Hmmm. The combine ended 2/26 and his pro day was 3/6. That's 8 days later. I find it hard to believe he healed up in 8 days.

Pro day numbers are always better than combine numbers. If you want something to really ponder...why was he "faster" on his pro day at 62 degrees and very windy vs. climate controlled indoor conditions? Did he run with the wind at his back? As for the other numbers, I don't know for certain, but I know in Indy the stuff is all legit. If a guy jumps 32.5 inches that is what he jumped...at a pro day those things may not be as regulated as they are in Indy. A guy may only jump 32.5" in Indy and jump the same at his pro day but his numbers look bigger at his pro day because 32.5" ain't really measured accurately at the pro day. Of course, the home cooking would do everything in it's power to give one of it's own a bit of a boost after a dreadful 40 time in Indy and that's not even getting into the electronic timed vs. hand timed issue.

There is no dispute that 4.91 is off the charts terrible for a LB and that is what Sam ran at the combine.
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nerdmann
10 years ago

I know it's typical for a players times to get better at a pro day but I think something was wrong with Barrington at the combine because at his pro day all of his #s went way up even objective stuff like broad and vertical jump. Based on his pro day numbers he was one of the most athletic guys in that whole draft and even if there was a boost for times because of a pro day it still doesn't point toward poor athleticism.

Originally Posted by: steveishere 



Not to mention what we've seen from him when he's actually on the field playing.
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uffda udfa
10 years ago

Not to mention what we've seen from him when he's actually on the field playing.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



Not really different than Des Bishop whom I also really liked. Just wish both of those guys could run better than they did/do.

It's not such a huge issue when you play on slow grass field in the cold like Sam does.

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steveishere
10 years ago

Hmmm. The combine ended 2/26 and his pro day was 3/6. That's 8 days later. I find it hard to believe he healed up in 8 days.

Pro day numbers are always better than combine numbers. If you want something to really ponder...why was he "faster" on his pro day at 62 degrees and very windy vs. climate controlled indoor conditions? Did he run with the wind at his back? As for the other numbers, I don't know for certain, but I know in Indy the stuff is all legit. If a guy jumps 32.5 inches that is what he jumped...at a pro day those things may not be as regulated as they are in Indy. A guy may only jump 32.5" in Indy and jump the same at his pro day but his numbers look bigger at his pro day because 32.5" ain't really measured accurately at the pro day. Of course, the home cooking would do everything in it's power to give one of it's own a bit of a boost after a dreadful 40 time in Indy and that's not even getting into the electronic timed vs. hand timed issue.

There is no dispute that 4.91 is off the charts terrible for a LB and that is what Sam ran at the combine.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 



8 days can have a huge impact if you have a sore muscle or are sick or something. I don't really see how with all of the scouts and people from outside the team present watching there's going to be "home cooking" on a vertical jump where the results are right there for everyone to see as soon as it happens. Hand timed 40 yard dashes will not account for someone jumping 6 inches higher or a foot longer. All the evidence points to him being significantly more athletic than the #s from the combine suggest. Not to mention the fact that he certainly doesn't look to have poor athleticism playing on the actual football field.

I don't see any convincing reason to believe the combine #s are representative of his actual athleticism. I mean does he look to you like a lineman when he's playing in the actual game? I think not. I see way more evidence that something was up with him at the combine.
uffda udfa
10 years ago

8 days can have a huge impact if you have a sore muscle or are sick or something. I don't really see how with all of the scouts and people from outside the team present watching there's going to be "home cooking" on a vertical jump where the results are right there for everyone to see as soon as it happens. Hand timed 40 yard dashes will not account for someone jumping 6 inches higher or a foot longer. All the evidence points to him being significantly more athletic than the #s from the combine suggest. Not to mention the fact that he certainly doesn't look to have poor athleticism playing on the actual football field.

I don't see any convincing reason to believe the combine #s are representative of his actual athleticism. I mean does he look to you like a lineman when he's playing in the actual game? I think not. I see way more evidence that something was up with him at the combine.

Originally Posted by: steveishere 



Of course, your 40 time has no impact on the other numbers. Are things as regulated at a USF pro day as they are in Indy? I don't honestly know. You were trying to find reasons why his #'s were so different. You concluded it must've been Barrington not being himself. I'm not as sure of that as you are and wonder if it wasn't the fact that things aren't the same as they are in Indy. How exactly does a guy improve on numbers in 62 degrees and lots of wind vs. a nice comfortable 75 and indoors? Sam lives in FLORIDA. 62 is a cold day for him. I find it curious his muscles would be looser at 62 degrees and wind than they would vs. being in climate controlled Indy. Makes no sense. It is more plausible that things were just a little different at USF than Indy not that Sam was injured. If Sam was injured he and his agent are two of the dumbest people around. You don't go out and put up numbers while injured that can ruin your ability to be drafted or get picked up later as a UDFA when you know you have a pro day coming.


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