Is it time to draft a K and P?

OlHoss1884
Member Topic Starter

9 years ago

I know Pro Football Focus is not the be all end all, but they rate Crosby 42nd and Masthay 35th. Is it time to look at drafting those two positions instead of always looking for an UFA to compete? There HAS to be some kid worth a 5th to 7th rounder at least. I'd love to see us pick someone up so we can just forget about those two critical spots on the roster for a few years.

"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits" --Albert Einstein

Wanna join the discussion?! Login to your PACKERSHOME forum account or Register a new forum account

Zero2Cool
Elite Member

9 years ago

Kid and Play?

texaspackerbacker
Veteran Member

9 years ago

How can they be 42nd and 35th in a 32 team league? Behind non-roster players? That seems a little bit ludicrous.

I say bring in some FA competition, but almost certainly go with the current guys unless they are completely out-classed by somebody brought in. Crosby was decent last season; Masthay had an off year, but I'd expect him to snap back. Neither should be over the hill age-wise.

Expressing the Good Normal Views of Good Normal Americans.
If Anything I Say Smacks of Extremism, Please Tell Me EXACTLY What.

Zero2Cool
Elite Member

9 years ago

Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker

Those metrics are predicated on anyone who kicked a ball. The Lions for example went through something like three or four kickers. When you set it to 16 games, then Mason Crosby is 23rd (of 28) and Tim Masthay is 29th (of 31) and remember two games Tim didn't Punt in so I had to set it to 14 games.

Dulak
Veteran Member

9 years ago

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool

didnt realize they wernt so good - thought our guys were much better then that ...

mi_keys
Senior Member

9 years ago

Masthay was awful last year. He seems to have regressed. I wouldn't mind looking at punter competition this year.

Zero, do they adjust for blocked kicks? If they do, are some coded as a mistake by the kicker (i.e. a low drive) while others are coded as a mistake by the protection team (i.e. someone comes free to block the kick)? Do they have a breakout of kickers in weather vs. in domes?

Crosby's numbers weren't anything special last year but he seemed to hit all of our most important kicks. He was lights out in the NFC Championship game in conditions that were not friendly to kickers. He is 30 so we may have to start looking for a replacement in the not too distant future anyway but I wouldn't be concerned going into the season with him as the default kicker.

Born and bred a cheesehead

steveishere
Veteran Member

9 years ago

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool

Masthay had a down year but as far as Crosby and PFF you have to break it down a bit further. He was 23 overall counting kickoffs but if you sort it just by FG he's at 11. That's fine to me. I'm not about to dump a kicker who is fine making his FGs over some kickoffs when most go through the end zone anyways.

Zero2Cool
Elite Member

9 years ago

Originally Posted by: steveishere

Something that is not factored into the metrics (that I seen) is that Mason Crosby kicks outdoors in less than friendly weather at least half the season. That's not making an excuse, it's just a fact.

texaspackerbacker
Veteran Member

9 years ago

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool

Thanks for clearing up the 42nd and 35th thing. I would think another thing not factored in is that the Packers - more often than most teams, it seemed - kicked short or away to avoid good returners.

Expressing the Good Normal Views of Good Normal Americans.
If Anything I Say Smacks of Extremism, Please Tell Me EXACTLY What.

beast
Select Member

9 years ago

#10

Thanks for explaining why that ratings were so wrong people, I knew they weren't as bad as those ratings.

I was thinking they probably hurt Crosby because some of kicks were blocked (after the OL in front of them let the guy through...) the ST OL was horrible for parts of this year and that's no fault of the kickers.

Masthay got rusty because he sat on the bench more than any other punter in the game... isn't that a good problem in some ways? If they brought in another punter wouldn't they most likely get rusty sitting on the bench that much?

I rather have down punter numbers than down Packers offensive numbers any time

Important Information:

The PACKERSHOME uses cookies. By continuing to browse this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. More Details Close

Fan Shout

Zero2Cool (1h) : Keisean Nixon is trying to get Maxx Crosby and Davante Adams lol

Mucky Tundra (8h) : Yeah where did it go?

packerfanoutwest (15h) : or did you resctrict access to that topic?

packerfanoutwest (15h) : why did you remove the Playoff topic?

Zero2Cool (10-Feb) : Tua’s old DC won a Super Bowl Year 1 with Tua’s former backup

Mucky Tundra (10-Feb) : *winning MVP

Mucky Tundra (10-Feb) : Funny observation I've heard: Carson Wentz was on the sideline for both Eagles Super Bowl wins w/guys supposed to be his back up winning

Zero2Cool (10-Feb) : NFL thought it would get more attention week preceding Super Bowl.

Zero2Cool (10-Feb) : Yes, the Pro Bowl. It was played Sunday before Super Bowl from 2010-2022

packerfanoutwest (10-Feb) : pro bowl

Zero2Cool (10-Feb) : From 2010 to 2022, it was played on the Sunday before the Super Bowl

Zero2Cool (10-Feb) : They moved it to the BYE week before Super Bowl several years ago.

packerfanoutwest (10-Feb) : it was always after the SB.....

beast (10-Feb) : Though I stop following pro bowl years ago

beast (10-Feb) : I thought the pro game was before the Super Bowl?

packerfanoutwest (10-Feb) : ok now for the Pro Bowl Game in Hawaii

TheKanataThrilla (10-Feb) : If I was Philly I would try to end it instead of punting it

Mucky Tundra (10-Feb) : VICTORY! We have (moral) victory!

TheKanataThrilla (10-Feb) : Hey they mentioned that we 3-peted

Mucky Tundra (10-Feb) : seems to me the 49ers should have traded Aiyuk when they had the chance

Mucky Tundra (10-Feb) : if the Eagles get it down to the 1, do they Tush Push or give it to Barkley?

TheKanataThrilla (10-Feb) : 49ers have a money problem if they want to sign their QB

Mucky Tundra (10-Feb) : Wait for real? Didn't he just get an extension two years ago?

Zero2Cool (10-Feb) : 49ers gonna trade Deebo. Interesting

TheKanataThrilla (10-Feb) : Replays always never seem to show the holdings

TheKanataThrilla (10-Feb) : Great throw by Hurts

Mucky Tundra (10-Feb) : Where Carter falls prey to bad off the field influences (to be clear, not saying he'd clip someone though)

Mucky Tundra (10-Feb) : Had Carter not gone to Philly were they already had a lot of old college friends, he ends up in a similar spot to Aaron Hernandez

Mucky Tundra (10-Feb) : I think some of his coaches told scouts to stay away

Mucky Tundra (10-Feb) : the street racing incident+conditioning and motivation problems

beast (10-Feb) : Then Carter was street racing, where the other car crashed and people died... and other teams were scared to pick Carter for some reason

beast (10-Feb) : I think the Saints traded up, giving their next year 1st to the Eagles, and then they sucked and Eagles got the 10th overall pick

packerfanoutwest (10-Feb) : wtf Barkley?

TheKanataThrilla (10-Feb) : Getting Carter and Nolan Smith in the first round in 2023 was pretty darn good

Mucky Tundra (10-Feb) : for some reason i'm thinking of a draft where the Eagles where in the mid 20s and a top player fell all the way to them

TheKanataThrilla (10-Feb) : I think so. I would need to look it up. Think it may have been Carolina's pick.

Mucky Tundra (10-Feb) : i'm not sure who i'm thinking of now

Mucky Tundra (10-Feb) : oh fuck me i messed that up

Zero2Cool (10-Feb) : Jordan Davis was 13th overall

Zero2Cool (10-Feb) : Carter was 9th overall

Zero2Cool (10-Feb) : Eagles had 15th and 10th selections, moved to 13 and 9 to get Davis and Carter back to back

Zero2Cool (10-Feb) : Eagles traded up for Carter, didn't they?

Mucky Tundra (10-Feb) : Obviously he was a huge risk but getting a top 5 talent on the dline in the mid 20s is fortuitous

Mucky Tundra (10-Feb) : Jalen Carter falling into their lap certainly helps

TheKanataThrilla (10-Feb) : And we could only wish to have this type of D

TheKanataThrilla (10-Feb) : It's not like Philly has had low draft picks, but has managed to get themselves a top notch pass rush. We spend so much draft capital of D

packerfanoutwest (10-Feb) : another crap halftime show

TheKanataThrilla (10-Feb) : I think it is over, but then I think of Atlanta and want Philly to go in with the same intensity in the second half

Mucky Tundra (10-Feb) : And with a Pass Rush that might as well be on a milk cartoon and no Jaire

Martha Careful (10-Feb) : I cant help but feel good about how well the Packers D played in Philly during the playoffs

Please sign in to use Fan Shout

2024 Packers Schedule

Friday, Sep 6 @ 7:15 PM

Eagles

29 - 34

Sunday, Sep 15 @ 12:00 PM

COLTS

16 - 10

Sunday, Sep 22 @ 12:00 PM

Titans

30 - 14

Sunday, Sep 29 @ 12:00 PM

VIKINGS

29 - 31

Sunday, Oct 6 @ 3:25 PM

Rams

24 - 19

Sunday, Oct 13 @ 12:00 PM

CARDINALS

34 - 13

Sunday, Oct 20 @ 12:00 PM

TEXANS

24 - 22

Sunday, Oct 27 @ 12:00 PM

Jaguars

30 - 27

Sunday, Nov 3 @ 3:25 PM

LIONS

14 - 24

Sunday, Nov 17 @ 12:00 PM

Bears

20 - 19

Sunday, Nov 24 @ 3:25 PM

49ERS

38 - 10

Thursday, Nov 28 @ 7:20 PM

DOLPHINS

30 - 17

Thursday, Dec 5 @ 7:15 PM

Lions

31 - 34

Sunday, Dec 15 @ 7:20 PM

Seahawks

30 - 13

Monday, Dec 23 @ 7:15 PM

SAINTS

34 - 0

Sunday, Dec 29 @ 3:25 PM

Vikings

25 - 27

Sunday, Jan 5 @ 12:00 PM

BEARS

22 - 24

Sunday, Jan 12 @ 3:30 PM

Eagles

10 - 22