OlHoss1884
10 years ago
I know Pro Football Focus is not the be all end all, but they rate Crosby 42nd and Masthay 35th. Is it time to look at drafting those two positions instead of always looking for an UFA to compete? There HAS to be some kid worth a 5th to 7th rounder at least. I'd love to see us pick someone up so we can just forget about those two critical spots on the roster for a few years.
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10 years ago
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texaspackerbacker
10 years ago
How can they be 42nd and 35th in a 32 team league? Behind non-roster players? That seems a little bit ludicrous.

I say bring in some FA competition, but almost certainly go with the current guys unless they are completely out-classed by somebody brought in. Crosby was decent last season; Masthay had an off year, but I'd expect him to snap back. Neither should be over the hill age-wise.
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Zero2Cool
10 years ago

How can they be 42nd and 35th in a 32 team league? Behind non-roster players? That seems a little bit ludicrous.

I say bring in some FA competition, but almost certainly go with the current guys unless they are completely out-classed by somebody brought in. Crosby was decent last season; Masthay had an off year, but I'd expect him to snap back. Neither should be over the hill age-wise.

Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker 



Those metrics are predicated on anyone who kicked a ball. The Lions for example went through something like three or four kickers. When you set it to 16 games, then Mason Crosby is 23rd (of 28) and Tim Masthay is 29th (of 31) and remember two games Tim didn't Punt in so I had to set it to 14 games.

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Dulak
10 years ago

Those metrics are predicated on anyone who kicked a ball. The Lions for example went through something like three or four kickers. When you set it to 16 games, then Mason Crosby is 23rd (of 28) and Tim Masthay is 29th (of 31) and remember two games Tim didn't Punt in so I had to set it to 14 games.

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mi_keys
10 years ago
Masthay was awful last year. He seems to have regressed. I wouldn't mind looking at punter competition this year.

Zero, do they adjust for blocked kicks? If they do, are some coded as a mistake by the kicker (i.e. a low drive) while others are coded as a mistake by the protection team (i.e. someone comes free to block the kick)? Do they have a breakout of kickers in weather vs. in domes?

Crosby's numbers weren't anything special last year but he seemed to hit all of our most important kicks. He was lights out in the NFC Championship game in conditions that were not friendly to kickers. He is 30 so we may have to start looking for a replacement in the not too distant future anyway but I wouldn't be concerned going into the season with him as the default kicker.
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steveishere
10 years ago

Those metrics are predicated on anyone who kicked a ball. The Lions for example went through something like three or four kickers. When you set it to 16 games, then Mason Crosby is 23rd (of 28) and Tim Masthay is 29th (of 31) and remember two games Tim didn't Punt in so I had to set it to 14 games.

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Masthay had a down year but as far as Crosby and PFF you have to break it down a bit further. He was 23 overall counting kickoffs but if you sort it just by FG he's at 11. That's fine to me. I'm not about to dump a kicker who is fine making his FGs over some kickoffs when most go through the end zone anyways.
Zero2Cool
10 years ago

Masthay had a down year but as far as Crosby and PFF you have to break it down a bit further. He was 23 overall counting kickoffs but if you sort it just by FG he's at 11. That's fine to me. I'm not about to dump a kicker who is fine making his FGs over some kickoffs when most go through the end zone anyways.

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Something that is not factored into the metrics (that I seen) is that Mason Crosby kicks outdoors in less than friendly weather at least half the season. That's not making an excuse, it's just a fact.
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texaspackerbacker
10 years ago

Something that is not factored into the metrics (that I seen) is that Mason Crosby kicks outdoors in less than friendly weather at least half the season. That's not making an excuse, it's just a fact.

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Thanks for clearing up the 42nd and 35th thing. I would think another thing not factored in is that the Packers - more often than most teams, it seemed - kicked short or away to avoid good returners.

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beast
10 years ago

Thanks for explaining why that ratings were so wrong people, I knew they weren't as bad as those ratings.

I was thinking they probably hurt Crosby because some of kicks were blocked (after the OL in front of them let the guy through...) the ST OL was horrible for parts of this year and that's no fault of the kickers.


Masthay got rusty because he sat on the bench more than any other punter in the game... isn't that a good problem in some ways? If they brought in another punter wouldn't they most likely get rusty sitting on the bench that much?


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