PackFanWithTwins
10 years ago

Generally, we do beat teams we're supposed to beat.

But that doesn't mean we don't shit ourselves in the process. The problem is that, since we won anyway, everyone excuses the self shitting, allowing it to continue.

By allowing it to continue, we decrease our margin for error, and we get what happened in the playoffs this year.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



Your posting seems to have a trend I hope I can help you with.

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Zero2Cool
10 years ago
Split some of these pots from the McCarthy no longer calling plays thread into this one as it seemed to have evolved into a worth while discussion as well.
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musccy
10 years ago

Go back and Watch the NFCCG against Seattle.

Do you think the Seahawks were the better team?

Did the Packers even belong on the same field with them? Do you attribute the outcome to a superior performance by the winners, or Minnesota-style self-shitting by the team that lost?

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 




Using your logic, did the Chiefs have better talent than the Patriots? Correct me if I'm wrong, but they didn't have a WR with a TD this year, right? I understand WR is one position, but you get my point.

The Packers outplayed the Seahawks, but that doesn't necessarily mean I feel the Packers had "superior talent." Vegas going into the game didn't think so. The outcome of the first GB-SEA game didn't suggest that either.

I'm not making definitive claims about the Packers talent either way. They were a very good team and that's all I really draw from it. I don't necessarily think the coaches blew great talent or the talent made up for crappy coaching. I think the Packers outplayed Seattle for 55 minutes and then pissed myriad opportunities away in the final 5.
QCHuskerFan
10 years ago
Couldn't it be said that Seattle self shit for 55 minutes? I don't know that the Packers out played Seahawks. I think it is more that Seattle tried to give it away. We refused to take it. Just because Seattle sucked for 55 minutes doesn't mean we were more talented. Or less.
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TheKanataThrilla
10 years ago
I think there is a difference between a better team on paper and a better team on any given Sunday. We were the better team in the NFCCG and let the game go. We were the better team against the Pats. We were not the better team against the Saints.

The problem I have is the number of times we are the better team on a given Sunday and lose. We only beat the teams that we are better on paper than, and quite often lose to teams who are inferior teams. Just once I would like us to go into a game where Vegas has us as underdogs and beat the snot out of them. We never seem to do that. This is what pisses me off with Mike is he can't seem to coach us to a win where we are not the favourite going in.

And for the record if it gets brought up, we were the favourites against the Pats. I had this argument in another forum and the person I was debating with said we did beat a superior team in the Patriots, but the fact is we were predicted to win that game and a SuperBowl game against the Pats would have been a pick'em according to Vegas so it is not just Lambeau Field that gave us the edge.
QCHuskerFan
10 years ago

I think there is a difference between a better team on paper and a better team on any given Sunday. We were the better team in the NFCCG and let the game go. We were the better team against the Pats. We were not the better team against the Saints.

The problem I have is the number of times we are the better team on a given Sunday and lose. We only beat the teams that we are better on paper than, and quite often lose to teams who are inferior teams. Just once I would like us to go into a game where Vegas has us as underdogs and beat the snot out of them. We never seem to do that. This is what pisses me off with Mike is he can't seem to coach us to a win where we are not the favourite going in.

And for the record if it gets brought up, we were the favourites against the Pats. I had this argument in another forum and the person I was debating with said we did beat a superior team in the Patriots, but the fact is we were predicted to win that game and a SuperBowl game against the Pats would have been a pick'em according to Vegas so it is not just Lambeau Field that gave us the edge.

Originally Posted by: TheKanataThrilla 



Would you rather be a routinely bad team that occasionally wins a game that we are predicted to lose? But never loses to inferior teams because there are so few of them?

Without detailed analysis, I would guess that the Packers were favored to win 13-14 of the 16 games this year. Statistically, it is more common to lose games to inferior teams since most teams are inferior.

From 1972 to 1982, the Packers failed to go to the playoffs. I am betting they very seldom lost to inferior teams. Simply as there were so few of those teams!

The problem I have is remembering some of the bad times in Packerland. I appreciate 2014 more than most of you because I remember the time before Favre. When losing a playoff game wasn't a concern. When high draft picks were wasted. When the Packers were never a 'Game of the Week' and rarely a primetime setting.

Trivia Question- What was the last NFL team to have back to back HOF QB's?
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TheKanataThrilla
10 years ago

Would you rather be a routinely bad team that occasionally wins a game that we are predicted to lose? But never loses to inferior teams because there are so few of them?

Without detailed analysis, I would guess that the Packers were favored to win 13-14 of the 16 games this year. Statistically, it is more common to lose games to inferior teams since most teams are inferior.

From 1972 to 1982, the Packers failed to go to the playoffs. I am betting they very seldom lost to inferior teams. Simply as there were so few of those teams!

The problem I have is remembering some of the bad times in Packerland. I appreciate 2014 more than most of you because I remember the time before Favre. When losing a playoff game wasn't a concern. When high draft picks were wasted. When the Packers were never a 'Game of the Week' and rarely a primetime setting.

Trivia Question- What was the last NFL team to have back to back HOF QB's?

Originally Posted by: QCHuskerFan 



I agree we are very often favoured, but it still begs the question why we can't seem to get over the hump when needed?

I agree we are lucky to be bitching and moaning as we have it quite good, but it still pisses me off that Eli Manning and Ben Roethlisberger have more rings than Favre and Rodgers.

Trivia question answer I am pretty sure is San Fran and it wasn't too long ago. Pretty sure Indy will have back-to-backers as well.
musccy
10 years ago



Without detailed analysis, I would guess that the Packers were favored to win 13-14 of the 16 games this year. Statistically, it is more common to lose games to inferior teams since most teams are inferior.

From 1972 to 1982, the Packers failed to go to the playoffs. I am betting they very seldom lost to inferior teams. Simply as there were so few of those teams!

Originally Posted by: QCHuskerFan 



Great post. However you define "inferior" teams or talent, the Packers defeated 11 of the 14 teams they faced this year for 13 wins.

Maybe 3 other teams can say that?!? So even if the Packers played down to or lost to "inferior" teams and talent, the fact is it's not unique to the Packers. Are the Ravens' and Seahawks' losses to the Pats' that much different than the Packers' to the Seahawks? Yeah the Packers' loss may have been more epic, but either way leads were squandered.



DakotaT
10 years ago
We only have three players with superior talent: Rodgers, Sitton, and Matthews. Everybody else is a role player and many excel at doing their jobs. This team this year blew a remarkable opportunity and that's the bottom line. Moving on!
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nerdmann
10 years ago

We only have three players with superior talent: Rodgers, Sitton, and Matthews. Everybody else is a role player and many excel at doing their jobs. This team this year blew a remarkable opportunity and that's the bottom line. Moving on!

Originally Posted by: DakotaT 



I view Lacy as a superior talent. Jordy and Cobb are pretty good too. But anyway, before we "move on," I would like to fix what it is that we continue to do wrong. Otherwise we're back where we started and are not truly "moving on."
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