musccy
10 years ago

I have feelings this is the beginning of the end for Mike.
Ted starts taking away his responsibilities.
Rumored riffs with Aaron on play calling.

Originally Posted by: buckeyepackfan 



There are some minor snippets we get from Aaron which are starting to wear on me, though I admit it takes a lot of reading into some smaller things.

I commented on the weight issue in another thread, and this play calling issue post nfcg annoys me too. We don't know how the dynamic works or just how much control Aaron has, but clearly he has some at the line, so complaints about play calling come off as at least a little hypocritical to me.
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Zero2Cool
10 years ago

Don Shula, never won a SB with one of the best QBs ever. Winning is tough and nobody wants to acknowledge that. The Packers have been one of the most consistent franchises since Ted and Mike have been here which many seem to overlook.

Originally Posted by: musccy 



One of the most frustration points that I witness every GameDay in the Chat. If the Packers have to punt, then they are in a lull. If the Packers kick a field goal, the coach is giving up. If the Packers go for it on 4th down, it is because coach doesn't trust kicker. If the other team scores, the Packers shit themselves. It is the same drivel over and over and over again.

Fans should always want their team to go 19 - 0, or at least win the Super Bowl. That's a given. Failing to appreciate your team went 9 - 0 at home and split on the road to finish 13 - 5 is cheating yourself as a fan.

How many teams out there haven't won 13 games in two or even three seasons? Yet, here we are as Packers having a 2nd superb quarterback to helm our team and some of us are looking for anything and everything to complain about. As if a Super Bowl trophy is OWED to us.

And you know the real pisser here? Even when the Packers won it in 2010, these same fans whined that the Packers should have won by MORE points. That they should have won MORE games during the regular season. That the defense should have been better earlier in the season.

If we're not careful, we're gonna be lumped together with those "arrogant Patriots" fans sooner than later.
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musccy
10 years ago
Agreed zero. I understand you don't want to settle for less, and the line between perspective and complacency is very thin.

With that said, what did we want to improve this year? Defense - great, no, improved, yes. Run game the same. TE play throughout the year, too. Health- we dont know if it was dumb luck or due to Mike's changes but 2014 was clearly the healthiest year in some time.

No doubt the Packers took a big maddening dump on the field the last 5 minutes in Seattle, but it's worth recognizing a lot of the good that happened to that point which many other franchises and fans would envy.
nerdmann
10 years ago

That makes absolutely no sense.

Seahawks were defending world champions, were the favorite to win it all again, and were playing st home where they have been almost unbeatable the lat 3 years.

Yet you say The Packers played down to their competition.

Explain. Wait never mind.
Won't make sense anyway.

Originally Posted by: buckeyepackfan 



Yeah, most people aren't smart as I am. I knew the Seahawks were overrated.

They were pretty good for awhile. Not so much anymore, as we subsequently found out. The Packers exposed them for who they were, then let them off the hook.




“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”
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nerdmann
10 years ago

One of the most frustration points that I witness every GameDay in the Chat. If the Packers have to punt, then they are in a lull. If the Packers kick a field goal, the coach is giving up. If the Packers go for it on 4th down, it is because coach doesn't trust kicker. If the other team scores, the Packers shit themselves. It is the same drivel over and over and over again.

Fans should always want their team to go 19 - 0, or at least win the Super Bowl. That's a given. Failing to appreciate your team went 9 - 0 at home and split on the road to finish 13 - 5 is cheating yourself as a fan.

How many teams out there haven't won 13 games in two or even three seasons? Yet, here we are as Packers having a 2nd superb quarterback to helm our team and some of us are looking for anything and everything to complain about. As if a Super Bowl trophy is OWED to us.

And you know the real pisser here? Even when the Packers won it in 2010, these same fans whined that the Packers should have won by MORE points. That they should have won MORE games during the regular season. That the defense should have been better earlier in the season.

If we're not careful, we're gonna be lumped together with those "arrogant Patriots" fans sooner than later.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



I've stated it before. If this team had inferior talent, but got the most out of it, I would give them props for that. Maybe I'd criticize the GM.

But that's not how it is.
“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”
musccy
10 years ago

I've stated it before. If this team had inferior talent, but got the most out of it, I would give them props for that. Maybe I'd criticize the GM.

But that's not how it is.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



What or how do you define "inferior" and "superior" talent.

Aside from some sports whose outcome is determined by objective measurables (track, weightlifting, swimming) comparing talent can be very subjective. You're claiming the Packers have superior talent but based on what? Stats? Combine numbers? Draft position? The eye ball test? I'm not trying to pick on you, I just don't know how you arrive at a pretty definitive conclusion that the Packers clearly are under utilizing their vastly superior talent.
Zero2Cool
10 years ago

You're claiming the Packers have superior talent but based on what? Stats? Combine numbers? Draft position? The eye ball test? I'm not trying to pick on you, I just don't know how you arrive at a pretty definitive conclusion that the Packers clearly are under utilizing their vastly superior talent.

Originally Posted by: musccy 



Yeah, most people aren't smart as I am.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



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PackFanWithTwins
10 years ago

What or how do you define "inferior" and "superior" talent.

Aside from some sports whose outcome is determined by objective measurables (track, weightlifting, swimming) comparing talent can be very subjective. You're claiming the Packers have superior talent but based on what? Stats? Combine numbers? Draft position? The eye ball test? I'm not trying to pick on you, I just don't know how you arrive at a pretty definitive conclusion that the Packers clearly are under utilizing their vastly superior talent.

Originally Posted by: musccy 



Across the board, I think it would be hard to say this team has inferior talent. Sure there are positions where that could be said. I also don't believe the team plays down to their opponents, we mostly beat the teams we should have beaten. When I go into the season, I have an expectation on which games we should win, which games we should lose and which are tossups. And for the most part the team has beaten the teams I expected to beat, and lost to those I expected to lose, and of the toss ups, have been over 500. This year I was wrong on expecting a win at buffalo. And we won 2 of the three I had as toss ups (NE and CHI away).

I don't expect the play calling change to result in us losing to the teams we should beat. Mostly those we have a good game plan going in, and don't have to make huge in game changes. But I do think it gives is a chance to win more of the toss up games and win more against teams I figured to be losses. I still expect with Mike to have good game plans heading in. Where I can see improvement is better ability for adjustments during the game not just at the 1/2. And more overall awareness from Mike of things outside of the offense. I still think if Mike had not been calling plays at the end of the game, he would have noticed or paid more attention to why Clay wasn't on the field. And if it was a matter of rest, he would have used the timeouts we had to give him some time and get him on the field as the game was coming to the end of regulation.

The world needs ditch diggers too Danny!!!
nerdmann
10 years ago

What or how do you define "inferior" and "superior" talent.

Aside from some sports whose outcome is determined by objective measurables (track, weightlifting, swimming) comparing talent can be very subjective. You're claiming the Packers have superior talent but based on what? Stats? Combine numbers? Draft position? The eye ball test? I'm not trying to pick on you, I just don't know how you arrive at a pretty definitive conclusion that the Packers clearly are under utilizing their vastly superior talent.

Originally Posted by: musccy 



Go back and Watch the NFCCG against Seattle.

Do you think the Seahawks were the better team?

Did the Packers even belong on the same field with them? Do you attribute the outcome to a superior performance by the winners, or Minnesota-style self-shitting by the team that lost?
“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”
nerdmann
10 years ago

Across the board, I think it would be hard to say this team has inferior talent. Sure there are positions where that could be said. I also don't believe the team plays down to their opponents, we mostly beat the teams we should have beaten. When I go into the season, I have an expectation on which games we should win, which games we should lose and which are tossups. And for the most part the team has beaten the teams I expected to beat, and lost to those I expected to lose, and of the toss ups, have been over 500. This year I was wrong on expecting a win at buffalo. And we won 2 of the three I had as toss ups (NE and CHI away).

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins 



Generally, we do beat teams we're supposed to beat.

But that doesn't mean we don't shit ourselves in the process. The problem is that, since we won anyway, everyone excuses the self shitting, allowing it to continue.

By allowing it to continue, we decrease our margin for error, and we get what happened in the playoffs this year.
“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”
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