musccy
10 years ago

How much of offensive performance is him and how much is having the best QB and some pretty good WR also. One of the areas I see lacking is in game adjustments. They seem to have good game plans, and come out after halftime with good adjustments. But they don't seem to make them on the fly and I think that is a lot to do with Mike not accurately being able to see what adjustments defenses are making between series.

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins 



I understand the argument, but I disagree with it and how it discredits the coach. Belicheck is now being discussed as one of the best coaches ever when his entire Patriots' tenure has been alongside one of the better clutch QBs in history.

How have players like Jones, Jennings, and BJack done outside of GB? Even the Bills and Raiders didn't want Matt Flynn yet where has he seen success?

However the Packers have organized it (OC assessing defense from above conveying message to Mike, or whatever), Mike's offenses have performed well, even though I do agree that it seems tough to be able to effectively manage a team and offense in the middle of a game.
PackFanWithTwins
10 years ago

I understand the argument, but I disagree with it and how it discredits the coach. Belicheck is now being discussed as one of the best coaches ever when his entire Patriots' tenure has been alongside one of the better clutch QBs in history.

How have players like Jones, Jennings, and BJack done outside of GB? Even the Bills and Raiders didn't want Matt Flynn yet where has he seen success?

However the Packers have organized it (OC assessing defense from above conveying message to Mike, or whatever), Mike's offenses have performed well, even though I do agree that it seems tough to be able to effectively manage a team and offense in the middle of a game.

Originally Posted by: musccy 



Almost every great coach was paired with a great QB, I don't believe that is coincidence. Why was Belicheck not successful in Cleveland? Holmgren had some success in Seattle but nothing really compared to what he had with Favre. Shanahan was mediocre without Elway.

Flynn hasn't really been a success, he just knows the system here and has enough of a team around him so he can look decent.

When I look the offense has mostly performed against teams they were better than. Against the better teams they have faced, the results are not as outstanding. And that is where I could see the difference being made. Being able to make more adjustments on the fly rather than waiting until halftime.
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nerdmann
10 years ago

Almost every great coach was paired with a great QB, I don't believe that is coincidence. Why was Belicheck not successful in Cleveland? Holmgren had some success in Seattle but nothing really compared to what he had with Favre. Shanahan was mediocre without Elway.

Flynn hasn't really been a success, he just knows the system here and has enough of a team around him so he can look decent.

When I look the offense has mostly performed against teams they were better than. Against the better teams they have faced, the results are not as outstanding. And that is where I could see the difference being made. Being able to make more adjustments on the fly rather than waiting until halftime.

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins 



Mike thinks too much, out-thinks himself.

And he doesn't know how to have his team emotionally prepared. Even Capers is better at that aspect.
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musccy
10 years ago

Almost every great coach was paired with a great QB, I don't believe that is coincidence. Why was Belicheck not successful in Cleveland? Holmgren had some success in Seattle but nothing really compared to what he had with Favre. Shanahan was mediocre without Elway.

Flynn hasn't really been a success, he just knows the system here and has enough of a team around him so he can look decent.

When I look the offense has mostly performed against teams they were better than. Against the better teams they have faced, the results are not as outstanding. And that is where I could see the difference being made. Being able to make more adjustments on the fly rather than waiting until halftime.

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins 



Of course anyone in athletics will be perform well against someone they're better than. A guy who runs 9.9 in the 100m will beat the 10.3 guy most days. The Seahawks defense dominated a delapidated Cardinals team but blew it vs. The Pats.
nerdmann
10 years ago

Of course anyone in athletics will be perform well against someone they're better than. A guy who runs 9.9 in the 100m will beat the 10.3 guy most days. The Seahawks defense dominated a delapidated Cardinals team but blew it vs. The Pats.

Originally Posted by: musccy 



This team plays down to their competition. As we saw against the Seahawks. Both times.

Fuck off, Mike.
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musccy
10 years ago
They beat the Super Bowl champs...they beat a once hot Eagles team by how many points? Didn't the Pats lose by 30 to the Chiefs, who didn't make the playoffs?

Who on here REALLY thought the Pack would beat the Seahawks before the game? Saying we played down to them is revisionist history.
nerdmann
10 years ago

They beat the Super Bowl champs...they beat a once hot Eagles team by how many points? Didn't the Pats lose by 30 to the Chiefs, who didn't make the playoffs?

Who on here REALLY thought the Pack would beat the Seahawks before the game? Saying we played down to them is revisionist history.

Originally Posted by: musccy 



Check the archives, I predicted it. LOL

Silly me.

And this team ALWAYS plays down to their competition.
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buckeyepackfan
10 years ago

Check the archives, I predicted it. LOL

Silly me.

And this team ALWAYS plays down to their competition.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



That makes absolutely no sense.

Seahawks were defending world champions, were the favorite to win it all again, and were playing st home where they have been almost unbeatable the lat 3 years.

Yet you say The Packers played down to their competition.

Explain. Wait never mind.
Won't make sense anyway.
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buckeyepackfan
10 years ago
I have feelings this is the beginning of the end for Mike.
Ted starts taking away his responsibilities.
Rumored riffs with Aaron on play calling.

Big question is ha Mike lost the players confidence?

Nothing Will bring a coach down faster then losing the locker room.

Some of you may get your wish after 2015.



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musccy
10 years ago
Buckeye already touched on one of the points I wanted to make with "playing down to the seahawks." The league has parity, every team lost to someone "they shouldn't have" this year.

Don Shula, never won a SB with one of the best QBs ever. Winning is tough and nobody wants to acknowledge that. The Packers have been one of the most consistent franchises since Ted and Mike have been here which many seem to overlook.
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