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10 years ago

Don't see how the Packers don't re-sign him.

Draft and develop

Originally Posted by: cheeseheads123 



It seems that Uncle Ted will give players a second contract if they and their agents are being reasonable but once the second is over he is not as eager to offer a third one.
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nerdmann
10 years ago

Yeah, but he gets a few lashes in the dojo for using that word.

Actually, I think Cobb has some real bargaining power. Adams isn't there yet, and we still don't have the elite athletic tight end. The guys we have at tight end are adequate, but not good enough to think they can steal some of Cobb's production to be arrogant enough to let him walk. Our young receivers provide a large drop-off in ability that Cobb has shown.

How much money do we have to use before the end of the year?

Originally Posted by: DakotaT 



Richard Rodgers is light years ahead of where Finley was as a rookie. And as for Adams, I'd say he's about where Jennings and Jones were as rookies, if not better. Those are two positions that take a year to develop.
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sschind
10 years ago

I know you're not (necessarily) saying this, but he's in no way as valuable to this team as Jordy. He's a hell of a #2, but when the clock is running down and you need a first down or a TD against top-end coverage, is there anybody in the league you'd take over Rodgers to Nelson? Cobb's important to the Packers but not irreplaceable. I don't see anybody on the Packers roster that could replace Nelson anytime soon. Ted's shown year after year when he releases our star WRs that the rookies he's brought in are maturing into cheap, effective replacements. Give Adams a year or two and he could provide a very similar skillset to Cobb.

Originally Posted by: Porforis 



You are right, I am not saying I think Cobb is as valuable to the team as Nelson, I'm saying If I am Cobb I think that and I would understand it. Given the expected cap increase over the next few seasons I would think some team would throw him Jordy like numbers if for no other reason than his age. Then there is the fact that Jordy did seem to sign a very team friendly deal. Even though he may not be "worth" it I think he is worth that.

I know a lot of people think we can just plug and play any old receiver into this system and get away with it but I think there is a lot to be said for continuity. Give Adams a year or two and he may be able to provide a very similar skillset to Cobb but what are you going to do in the meantime? On top of that you will have to replace Adams. Another thing that Cobb has to consider is that if he signs a 4 year deal he is young enough that if his production stays high, and if he stays with the Packers there is no reason to think it won't, he will be able to cash in again in 4 more years. He will still be younger than Nelson was when he signed his latest contract (At least I think he will be) Sign a Nelsonesque deal now and another one in 4 years. I'd take that in a heartbeat.

I'm sure if the Packers decide move on from Cobb Adams will step up and fill in admirably and they will draft a few more receivers to take his spot but I'd just like to go into a season knowing that we are truly set at WR and not just thinking we are because we have a crapload of guys with potential.
macbob
10 years ago

One thing of which we can all be certain is that Ted will have affixed a value to Cobb, from which he will not acquiesce.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



Agreed. Ted's value is not just for the player, though, he seems to have a baseline/max value for each position and he's more willing to put out bigger bucks for a 'skilled' position (QB, etc) than for some of the other positions.

But once you reach the limit of what he thinks that position is worth, forget it.
beast
10 years ago

If you have one of the top QBs in the NFL, you stay with one of the best...

Jennings and Jones are still trying to break in new QBs.
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nerdmann
10 years ago

You are right, I am not saying I think Cobb is as valuable to the team as Nelson, I'm saying If I am Cobb I think that and I would understand it. Given the expected cap increase over the next few seasons I would think some team would throw him Jordy like numbers if for no other reason than his age. Then there is the fact that Jordy did seem to sign a very team friendly deal. Even though he may not be "worth" it I think he is worth that.

I know a lot of people think we can just plug and play any old receiver into this system and get away with it but I think there is a lot to be said for continuity. Give Adams a year or two and he may be able to provide a very similar skillset to Cobb but what are you going to do in the meantime? On top of that you will have to replace Adams. Another thing that Cobb has to consider is that if he signs a 4 year deal he is young enough that if his production stays high, and if he stays with the Packers there is no reason to think it won't, he will be able to cash in again in 4 more years. He will still be younger than Nelson was when he signed his latest contract (At least I think he will be) Sign a Nelsonesque deal now and another one in 4 years. I'd take that in a heartbeat.

I'm sure if the Packers decide move on from Cobb Adams will step up and fill in admirably and they will draft a few more receivers to take his spot but I'd just like to go into a season knowing that we are truly set at WR and not just thinking we are because we have a crapload of guys with potential.

Originally Posted by: sschind 



This is a great point. Cobb is much younger than Nelson.

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RaiderPride
10 years ago

One thing of which we can all be certain is that Ted will have affixed a value to Cobb, from which he will not acquiesce.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



I think you attended to type. "Of which he will acquiesce."




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RaiderPride
10 years ago

I suppose this is as good of a place as any to mention that more than likely Cobb will not be throwing the ball.

When he was drafted there were a few members here who thought for sure they would wildcat with him and let him pull up from the run to throw the ball. One pass his rookie season. that's it. Even when Rodgers was injured last year they didn't have Cobb throw the ball.

Originally Posted by: wpr 



As always WPR, A brilliant observation. Yes indeed.. I remember the Draft aftermath conversation.




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porky88
10 years ago
I think the Packers will franchise him if they have to. Plus, the franchise tag gives them time to workout a long-term contract. That's what New Orleans did with Jimmy Graham this off-season.
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