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What is the problem with our country today?

It is us, we are the problem. Why is that?

What is the difference between this generation and the generations in the past?

Studies have shown that from infant to age five is when we are most influenced and is when our personalities are essentially decided.

The primary difference between generations is that the mothers were raising our children back then whereas now mothers are working to pay someone else to raise our children in a "kid is a number" type of setting known as Child Care.

I'm very much for equality regardless of age, sex, skin, sexual preference, and whatever other issue. And this is not saying a woman's place is the kitchen or house-maker, but think about it, who would you rather raising your children during the most critically important years of their life? An individual who most surely cares for your child, but can they possibly care for as much as your child's mother?

When people hear someone is a stay at home parent, immediately there is a negative connotation attached to them that they are freeloading or using Government assistance. Most of the time the harshest critics are women bashing women for being stay at home parents. "Oh, you don't work? I'm sorry to hear that".

When you put a child in child care, you're facing upwards to $200 a WEEK and those child care workers are not paid well either. If you're fortunate, maybe $10 an hour. So you're paying $750 to over $1,000 a month for someone to raise YOUR child during the most important years of their life.

If a tax break for MARRIED couples who have a child were doled out for families who have a stay at home parent, I would be all for it. I would gladly pay a little more in taxes so the parent is raising their child during those first five years than a child care teacher who has around four children at once to monitor.


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I don't place negative connotations on stay at home parents that have a husband, wife or significant other working. I don't place negative connotations on stay at home parents that suck off their parents or if they flat-back, or whatever...

Just don't come for my money if you had a kid or kids and you can't pay the freight. I didn't get to screw anybody in someone else's family to make that kid, so why should I get screwed financially?

Now- if the government wants to post pictures and bios of the stay at home parents that I am supporting and wants to afford me the option of actually screwing some of the ladies, I'll revisit my curmudgeonly attitude...

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I don't place negative connotations on stay at home parents that have a husband, wife or significant other working. I don't place negative connotations on stay at home parents that suck off their parents or if they flat-back, or whatever...

Just don't come for my money if you had a kid or kids and you can't pay the freight. I didn't get to screw anybody in someone else's family to make that kid, so why should I get screwed financially?


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Typical response. Fright wing people have to make damn sure those babies are born, but when it comes time to pony up the tax money to help raise them, your assholes pucker up tighter than a snare drum.

But to answer Zero's question, yeah, it would have been awesome to have Julie at home to raise the kids. Unfortunately, there aren't enough high paying jobs to allow this. There are some advantages to the day care thing though, such as social skills and a survival tenacity. When have to fight for those toys - you get tougher.

Essentially, your children's greatest influence is their parents. Whether that's good or bad depends on the parent.
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But to answer Zero's question, yeah, it would have been awesome to have Julie at home to raise the kids. Unfortunately, there aren't enough high paying jobs to allow this. There are some advantages to the day care thing though, such as social skills and a survival tenacity. When have to fight for those toys - you get tougher.

Essentially, your children's greatest influence is their parents. Whether that's good or bad depends on the parent.

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Why can't stay at home parent bring the children to a park or play area or other things where children are present to get that social interaction? After all it seemed to work just fine for prior generations with stay at home parents. Stay at home parent does not mean they must stay at home.

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Why can't stay at home parent bring the children to a park or play area or other things where children are present to get that social interaction? After all it seemed to work just fine for prior generations with stay at home parents. Stay at home parent does not mean they must stay at home.

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Dakota has a high paying job. He just told us he's making 3500 this week. Maybe he should take his 3500 and go to the park and hand it out to the stay at home moms.

...as to me as fright-winger- kindly recall I am raising two "grand-children" that are not even mine, coupled with a "daughter-in-law" that never married my step-son, and has never held a job in her life.

I (we-my wife and I) do it for these two kids. I get to bitch in here in exchange. We pay for everything, fwiw. My oldest grand-child is not in school today. She is not in school because my wife went to work at 6 am. I was off, she didn't want to bother me to walk my granddaughter to the bus-stop. Usually one of us do it. She's going to be pissed, at mom, who has ONE job, taking care of her kids.

The oldest one is my step-son's daughter. She's in kindergarten. My wife and I paid for her to go day-care previously, the last several years. Think about that- we paid for daycare while mom sat on her keester.

I asked Arianna (her name) why she wasn't in school on Columbus day. Of course, I knew why.

Me: Arianna, why aren't you in school?

Arianna: Because it's Columbus day.

Me: Who is Columbus?

Arianna: (After a major pause) He's the guy that got me out of school today.


I'll probably wind up paying for this young ladies' college education, along with her little brother... but to me, it's money well-spent-I have four children of my own -paid for- with appurtenant grandchildren] which I will NOT pay for, nor will any of you, thanks to my ex-wife and I raising our kids properly (mostly her, in fairness- I'd have done a better job as a husband if I were there.)
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10 years ago
Is there a specific Problem you are referring to, I couldn't tell.

Personally I don't think there is any benefit to children to go to organized daycare. My mother was divorced and worked, so my brother and I spent time with sitters. Stay at home moms in the neighborhood who had kids close to our age, that were earning a couple extra bucks on the side so they didn't have to get a job also. It worked well.

With my kids, I was lucky. My mother provided our daycare. She was looking for an excuse to leave her job, and with twin infants, there was no way to afford regular organized daycare. So we helped her with a reason and way so she no longer needed to have a job, and she helped us save money. And there isn't a much more caring provider than a Grandma. The closer extended families can be, the better off we are.

What I see, is that we as a society have isolated ourselves. We don't know our neighbors as well, or as many of them as we did when I was young. Knowing as many of your neighbors, and knowing their kids makes neighborhoods as a whole safer. If you don't know your neighbors, how can you tell if the people that are in your neighborhood at any given time, belong there or not?

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10 years ago

What is the problem with our country today?

It is us, we are the problem. Why is that?

What is the difference between this generation and the generations in the past?

Studies have shown that from infant to age five is when we are most influenced and is when our personalities are essentially decided.

The primary difference between generations is that the mothers were raising our children back then whereas now mothers are working to pay someone else to raise our children in a "kid is a number" type of setting known as Child Care.

I'm very much for equality regardless of age, sex, skin, sexual preference, and whatever other issue. And this is not saying a woman's place is the kitchen or house-maker, but think about it, who would you rather raising your children during the most critically important years of their life? An individual who most surely cares for your child, but can they possibly care for as much as your child's mother?

When people hear someone is a stay at home parent, immediately there is a negative connotation attached to them that they are freeloading or using Government assistance. Most of the time the harshest critics are women bashing women for being stay at home parents. "Oh, you don't work? I'm sorry to hear that".

When you put a child in child care, you're facing upwards to $200 a WEEK and those child care workers are not paid well either. If you're fortunate, maybe $10 an hour. So you're paying $750 to over $1,000 a month for someone to raise YOUR child during the most important years of their life.

If a tax break for MARRIED couples who have a child were doled out for families who have a stay at home parent, I would be all for it. I would gladly pay a little more in taxes so the parent is raising their child during those first five years than a child care teacher who has around four children at once to monitor.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



Well, you have a fairly interesting topic here. I don't like your first line - what's wrong with the country? The answer to that ranges from nothing to factors way beyond this rather limited area.

I'm sure you could find extreme numbers of both examples and counter-examples both ways - people raised with stay-at-home mothers and people not raised that way. I tend to think there is a correlation, but a statistically weak correlation in favor of good people with stay-at-home mothers.

As for your solution to this situation, I tend to agree with Gunny, to the extent that there actually is a problem, "we" are not really part of it, so why the hell should "we" be forced to solve it/pay for solving it etc.? I have raised my children, three with the mother not working, one with, all to be solid citizens, arguably more solid than their father hahahaha. And no, my mother didn't work - I got bad all on my own (it kinda reminds me of that old Merle Haggard? song, "Mama Tried"


ooooh, I thought I was just posting a link, not the whole song - oh well .......

I've been a foster parent at times, as well as various Big Brother and mentor programs in past years, so I think I've done way more than just take care of my own. HOWEVER, it was all VOLUNTARY, and that's the way it should be. Raising taxes - you said you'd gladly pay more so the damned government could somehow subsidize stay-at-home mothers, that's just WRONG and bad policy anytime. Of course, if you really wanted to do that, you could do like I repeatedly advocate, have the government go farther into debt - Keynesianly inject that additional money into the economy WITHOUT raising taxes. That would be good economically whether it made any difference in the problem you perceive or not. Myself, I don't think it would help much.

I don't like organized daycare either, and I especially don't like all these stupid hoops a child care provider has to jump through these days thanks to damn government intrusion. Stay-at-home mothers or untrained but loving neighbors, friends, grandmas, etc. clearly are better than these sterile politically correct environments. However, I just don't see that as making much of a difference in the big picture - who and how many turn out all right, and who and how many don't.
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I know my neighbors very well. They introduced me to the state of Pennsylvania, their neighborhood, how things run here, etc.

I bring this up because they have also evolved into my close friends. Good friends. The kind you can count on, no matter what.

I've lived in schmantzy-smantzy subdivisions where no one knew one another. What fools. The value of having great neighbors far out-weighs 9 foot ceilings and cherry kitchens, imo. I am blessed.
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The primary point of this discussion is that parents should be spending those first five years raising their children, not child care centers. The tax break thing was my concession that I am willing to make for those MARRIED couples who need a small break to get by. Notice the MARRIED couples and realize that implication.

The neighborhood you are talking about is what I am looking to move into next year at the earliest. Something I can set up shop for a decade or so until all my girls are moved out. Then I'm going to build myself a small shack with a full bathroom and garage on a tiny piece of land that has high speed internet and fall off the gird.
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The primary point of this discussion is that parents should be spending those first five years raising their children, not child care centers. The tax break thing was my concession that I am willing to make for those MARRIED couples who need a small break to get by. Notice the MARRIED couples and realize that implication.

The neighborhood you are talking about is what I am looking to move into next year at the earliest. Something I can set up shop for a decade or so until all my girls are moved out. Then I'm going to build myself a small shack with a full bathroom and garage on a tiny piece of land that has high speed internet and fall off the gird.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



Hey man, I'm feeling you. I'm aware of your situation, as I read your posts. I go out and about with my posts for a myriad of reasons, mostly-admittedly- political, as in pull the chain of some of our fellow posters. You want some great advice from me? Move into an older neighborhood, make damn sure you don't piss off your (new) existing neighbors, then make damn sure they know their help is cordially invited.

Your quality of life goes up exponentially, as does your kids. That's old man talk, so take it for what it is worth. My NEIGHBORS' good will make me a happy man, on a day-to-day basis.

My wife waited 10 years to get the house we have. She was in the Real Estate business. She knows her stuff. These generic vinyl / brick houses with small trees are ass, no matter the inside crap our women-folk are so enamored with.
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Why is it some have to always boil every discussion down to "right wing" or "left wing?"
I think THAT alone is one of the major problems.
Questions that are asked are always labeled it seems.
If you just kiss off every question as a political one, you are missing the boat in my view.

I know I'm considered a "right wing nut case" by some, and that usually means that ANYTHING I say will be poo poo'd by some and ignored automatically.

I try to take what anyone says and think it out before saying "That comes from a lefty, and therefore has no merit."
That's just not the right way to go.

Of course that's just coming from this right wing nut case.![grin1]

Today's world is far from the one from the 1960's and earlier. With the high prices of EVERYTHING, there are few families that can make it on one income.
People do what they have to to survive. I myself would hate to send my kids to some day care, where you have NO idea how they are treated or what they are being taught.
The formative years are very important to a child's growth.
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10 years ago

The primary point of this discussion is that parents should be spending those first five years raising their children, not child care centers. The tax break thing was my concession that I am willing to make for those MARRIED couples who need a small break to get by. Notice the MARRIED couples and realize that implication.

The neighborhood you are talking about is what I am looking to move into next year at the earliest. Something I can set up shop for a decade or so until all my girls are moved out. Then I'm going to build myself a small shack with a full bathroom and garage on a tiny piece of land that has high speed internet and fall off the gird.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



By the way, There is tax breaks for dependent daycare already.
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The kids are treated just fine in day care. Impressively so, imo. Hell, I wish I got to go to daycare! ...At least the version from the YMCA presented to us. VERY impressive!
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The kids are treated just fine in day care. Impressively so, imo. Hell, I wish I got to go to daycare! ...At least the version from the YMCA presented to us. VERY impressive!

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Just fine huh? Who thinks 'just fine' is acceptable? Work 40+ hours a week so you can pay someone else to raise your kids while 60-70% of your net income goes towards the cost of child care. Slap a bandaid on it and call it a day right? Why find the root of the issue? Forget that, I mean JUST FINE is acceptable, right? Oh, wait, I know! The answer is RAISING MINIMUM WAGE!!!

Treated just fine, what a load.
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Just fine huh? Who thinks 'just fine' is acceptable? Work 40+ hours a week so you can pay someone else to raise your kids while 60-70% of your net income goes towards the cost of child care. Slap a bandaid on it and call it a day right? Why find the root of the issue? Forget that, I mean JUST FINE is acceptable, right? Oh, wait, I know! The answer is RAISING MINIMUM WAGE!!!

Treated just fine, what a load.

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Let's review. Arianna would be my 6th child, were she mine...which she IS, if you look at the alternatives... I have some experience. I am in a position to afford any day care my wife deigns to send her to. My wife opted for there. My wife opted for that place for some of the same reasons you expressed earlier... my granddaughter is intertwined with her public school contemporaries- friends- "just fine". It was the best path for her to take to public school kindergarten. You really think I'd send my granddaughter anywhere I was uncomfortable with in any way?

Keep your pecker in your pocket if you can't raise a kid, I always say. If you are paranoid, I recommend you listen to those older and wiser.
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Dakota has a high paying job. He just told us he's making 3500 this week. Maybe he should take his 3500 and go to the park and hand it out to the stay at home moms.

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Dumbass, when the twins were born - Julie quit her job and took in a few more kids, we qualified for food stamps, because I had a shitty paying State job.

And as for your little shot - I can't hang out in the park, I HAVE TO WORK. Besides, I pay my taxes without bitching. I just wish I mark a box on the 1040 that says - send these funds to anything other than the War Machine.
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Dumbass, when the twins were born - Julie quit her job and took in a few more kids, we qualified for food stamps, because I had a shitty paying State job.

And as for your little shot - I can't hang out in the park, I HAVE TO WORK. Besides, I pay my taxes without bitching. I just wish I mark a box on the 1040 that says - send these funds to anything other than the War Machine.

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You are such a girl, I affected your sensibilities. I guess you can now pay back the money taken for the food stamps.

If I ever see that box you speak of, I'll be in front of you putting the x on it. Just be aware- These crazy bastards all over this world would scare the crap out of you, if you knew them. You don't have to know them.

You can call the ghostbusters if shit hits the fan. The reason you got higher gas prices than what you'd like is because of refining and transportation, fool. Your state refines oil into shit you can't use. They are building 2 new refineries, which is excellent, if you look at the history of refineries in this country, but you can't use them, either.

You should know that, turbine builder. What? do they let let you put in the big bolts to hold the gears? What tragedy is your education?

Impress your wife back in N Dakota. Come here with facts to impress me. Oh, and let me know what college you drank/ skated through if any so I can NOT send my grandchildren there. You want to be an asshole? I can work with that.
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Just fine huh? Who thinks 'just fine' is acceptable? Work 40+ hours a week so you can pay someone else to raise your kids while 60-70% of your net income goes towards the cost of child care. Slap a bandaid on it and call it a day right? Why find the root of the issue? Forget that, I mean JUST FINE is acceptable, right? Oh, wait, I know! The answer is RAISING MINIMUM WAGE!!!

Treated just fine, what a load.

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Like the judge told me. 4 kids. 4 jobs. Not interested in my job. I was told to tell the Navy to turn this ship around, I got child support! Welcome to America. Bounce the concept off the girls in the park. They will feel you, bro!
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You are such a girl, I affected your sensibilities. I guess you can now pay back the money taken for the food stamps.

If I ever see that box you speak of, I'll be in front of you putting the x on it. Just be aware- These crazy bastards all over this world would scare the crap out of you, if you knew them. You don't have to know them.

You can call the ghostbusters if shit hits the fan. The reason you got higher gas prices than what you'd like is because of refining and transportation, fool. Your state refines oil into shit you can't use. They are building 2 new refineries, which is excellent, if you look at the history of refineries in this country, but you can't use them, either.

You should know that, turbine builder. What? do they let let you put in the big bolts to hold the gears? What tragedy is your education?

Impress your wife back in N Dakota. Come here with facts to impress me. Oh, and let me know what college you drank/ skated through if any so I can NOT send my grandchildren there. You want to be an asshole? I can work with that.

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We have a refinery right in Mandan, which is right across the river from Bismarck - and we have the highest priced gas in the upper Midwest. Got anything else?

And who the hell are you to judge what anybody for work jarhead turned Home Depot apron wearer? You didn't really set the world on fire did you? I know in your mind the career military man is the shit, but to me, you're just another overpaid beaurocrat.
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Keep your pecker in your pocket if you can't raise a kid, I always say. If you are paranoid, I recommend you listen to those older and wiser.

Originally Posted by: dfosterf 



If you're married and having kids, one of the parents should be raising the child full time, not some child care institution. Are you seriously not able to understand the point being made here about the real problem? What does it say about us that both parents must work? Think about that instead of worrying about your next perceived "witty" comeback. You're commenting often, but your'e not saying a damn thing. Old maybe, wise, not showing it here.

As for the pecker in pocket, no kidding Sherlock. If you knew how well I take care of my girls and help their mothers, you'd be surprised. As for paranoid, not at all, nothing to be paranoid about. Don't even know how that mixes with this.


If we raise better kids, we raise a better society. The saying goes, children are our future, yet we have child care institutions raising them during the most important five years of their lives?

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