Smokey
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10 years ago
Freedom of Speech means different things to most people. We say that we may not like what another says, but that we'll defend their right to say it. We are not however totally free to speak anything that one might wish to say. You can't yell FIRE in a theater unless there really is a fire. You can't threaten your neighbor or his /her property . You can't openly protest without a permit. You can't post against the narrow thinking in some sites due to their management. I've not seen that in this site, and don't expect to. Some places have no freedom of speech at all. To speak the wrong thing can get you thrown into a prison.

This thread offers a chance to voice your answer to the question; What does Freedom of Speech mean to you ?
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Zero2Cool
10 years ago
"It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt."

[grin1]

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Smokey
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10 years ago

"It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt."

[grin1]

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



" The only thing we have to fear, is fear itself." [boxing]
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wpr
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10 years ago
One of my favorites involves freedom in general but it applies to speech as much any anything else.


America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.

Abraham Lincoln


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wpr
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10 years ago
Another one I found interesting:

America isn't easy. America is advanced citizenship. You gotta want it bad, 'cause it's gonna put up a fight. It's gonna say "You want free speech? Let's see you acknowledge a man whose words make your blood boil, who's standing center stage and advocating at the top of his lungs that which you would spend a lifetime opposing at the top of yours.



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texaspackerbacker
10 years ago
A bunch of quotes? Is that the best you guys can do? The e man asked a legitimate question. I'll be back to answer it after I see some posts worth replying to. For now, I've got business in the Back Alley.
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Wade
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10 years ago

One of my favorites involves freedom in general but it applies to speech as much any anything else.


Abraham Lincoln

Originally Posted by: wpr 


Said the president who suspended habeas corpus.

And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.
Romans 12:2 (NKJV)
Wade
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10 years ago
To me it means freedom from the abuses of state power. It is a right as against state action.

And its presence in the Constitution to me says that the Founders knew that the greatest threat to the freedom was state power itself. That they knew governments default to equating criticism with treason, and would rather risk allowing sedition rather than restrain speech that criticizes.

I'm old fashioned.

And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.
Romans 12:2 (NKJV)
texaspackerbacker
10 years ago

To me it means freedom from the abuses of state power. It is a right as against state action.

And its presence in the Constitution to me says that the Founders knew that the greatest threat to the freedom was state power itself. That they knew governments default to equating criticism with treason, and would rather risk allowing sedition rather than restrain speech that criticizes.

I'm old fashioned.

Originally Posted by: Wade 



And in their own time, the Founders were right. But that was then and this is now. They didn't suitcase nukes, airliners full of jet fuel, a barrel of radioactive waste that could make a large part of a major city unlivable for centuries, etc. The transportation technology back then didn't exist to bring the evils of "over there" to over here.

Freedom to be ALIVE is a powerful freedom. Before you can be free to not have that state oppress you; before you can use the freedom to speak out against that oppression - or anything else; Before you can have the freedom to live life the way you see fit to maximize your enjoyment, YOU HAVE TO NOT BE DEAD!

"Those who would give up freedom for security deserve neither"? Nope! I'm here to tell you, Security i.e. Freedom to be Alive IS freedom - the ultimate freedom.
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wpr
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10 years ago

Said the president who suspended habeas corpus.

Originally Posted by: Wade 



Yep he sure did. Even he know it was shaky ground at best and Unconstitutional at worst. He was willing to be the bad guy and held responsible for his actions if the post war courts would say so. That is a far cry from someone who was wanting to be a despot.
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bboystyle (23-Dec) : Minny isnt going to lose out so 5th seed is out of the equation. We are playing for the 6th or 7th seed which makes no difference
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