sschind
10 years ago

I know it's my confirmation bias talking, but that's not very good. If you're draft and develop and that's your record based on the draft please tell me how/why our GM got an extension?

Datone is on his way to joining the failures. Our D will likely continue to be below average, at best, but there's no accountability. It's the exact opposite...a raise and an extension. Makes sense. [puke]

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 



The thing that makes it even worse is that they were back to back. Two bad drafts with a year or two in between is a little easier to build on I think. You had guys you were counting on from 2011 that didn't pan out for whatever reason so you had to look to fill those positions again in 2012 and when those guys didn't pan out it made 2013 that much more crucial.

uffda udfa
10 years ago

The thing that makes it even worse is that they were back to back. Two bad drafts with a year or two in between is a little easier to build on I think. You had guys you were counting on from 2011 that didn't pan out for whatever reason so you had to look to fill those positions again in 2012 and when those guys didn't pan out it made 2013 that much more crucial.

Originally Posted by: sschind 



...and to further the point...when you DO NOT use FA as a tool it just exacerbates the failure. Where are the blue chippers coming from? Nowhere. Failed drafts and no use of FA... BUT...we do have the best QB in the game so it takes the focus off the failing of our GM. It is shameful how blind the eyes are of the very people who follow this team so closely. How and why it isn't seen what is and has been happening is just mind boggling.

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sschind
10 years ago

I hate taking calculated risks in the first round. it is just foolish. That is what the 6th and 7th rounds are for.

Originally Posted by: wpr 



Two good posts in a row for you wpr.

I like Ha Ha as a first round pick this year. Yeah some people were not so high on him but no one is going to like everyone. I like him because he is a safety and a pretty darn good one by most accounts and we certainly needed a safety but that is only part of why I liked the pick. I also like that he was drafted to play safety and even if he doesn't start this season or next I believe he will play safety. I hate the picks that you feel like you have to change the guys position. In the first round, I don't care if it is #29 you should be able to get a guy who you know where he is going to fit. This seems to be the Packers biggest problem They draft great athletes and try to change them in some way shape or form. It's the same way with injuries. Taking a chance on a guy who drops 15 or more spots because he he has some injuries is not quite so bad but taking guys with injury issues at about the spot where they should be is a bit questionable.

millertime
10 years ago
Casey Hayward was statistically one of the best corners in football his rookie year (See football outsiders). If he can play 85% of what he was as a rookie he will be an elite nickleback if he regains top form he would be one of the best cornerbacks in the NFL.
DarkaneRules
10 years ago
Hayward is a really talented football player. Glad he is healthy and ready to go this season.
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10 years ago

Casey Hayward was statistically one of the best corners in football his rookie year (See football outsiders). If he can play 85% of what he was as a rookie he will be an elite nickleback if he regains top form he would be one of the best cornerbacks in the NFL.

Originally Posted by: millertime 



Sorry Miller this is the NFL. There is not a large gap between great and pretty good. If Hayward plays at 85% he will be worse than Bush and the WRs will eat him alive.
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Laser Gunns
10 years ago
I don't care how good Hayward was his rookie year.

As he stands now. He has only been healthy for half of his played contract.

So he has only contributed to this team for 16/32 games.

That's not good enough.

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nerdmann
10 years ago

I hate taking calculated risks in the first round. it is just foolish. That is what the 6th and 7th rounds are for.

Originally Posted by: wpr 



The other end of that spectrum is AJ Hawk.
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DoddPower
10 years ago

Casey Hayward was statistically one of the best corners in football his rookie year (See football outsiders). If he can play 85% of what he was as a rookie he will be an elite nickleback if he regains top form he would be one of the best cornerbacks in the NFL.

Originally Posted by: millertime 



I understand my perspective is a little pessimistic, but I think Hayward's rookie season was more of an exception than the norm. I don't expect him to be an elite player. At this point, I'm just hoping he can be "good," and even that's looking questionable so far this preseason. It looks like Hyde and Tramon Williams have been starting in the slot in dime packages in practice recently. I do remember at least one or two of Hayward's interceptions being thrown directly to him. I understand he was in position and made the catches, but I can't help but think a few of those picks were as much horrible plays by the quarterback as they were good plays by Hayward. Only one or two of his interceptions, though.
steveishere
10 years ago

I understand my perspective is a little pessimistic, but I think Hayward's rookie season was more of an exception than the norm. I don't expect him to be an elite player. At this point, I'm just hoping he can be "good," and even that's looking questionable so far this preseason. It looks like Hyde and Tramon Williams have been starting in the slot in dime packages in practice recently. I do remember at least one or two of Hayward's interceptions being thrown directly to him. I understand he was in position and made the catches, but I can't help but think a few of those picks were as much horrible plays by the quarterback as they were good plays by Hayward. Only one or two of his interceptions, though.

Originally Posted by: DoddPower 



Hayward has also been the 1st CB off the bench in Nickle. The DB coach said he was running that dime rotation to get everyone reps it doesn't necessarily mean it's the actual rotation. Also, the interceptions aren't even half of what made Haywards rookie season great. The footballoutsiders thing that he mentioned takes into account things like defensive passes, tackling guys short of a 1st on 3rd and 4th down, and stuff like that. He defended 12 passes that year and was thrown at 74 times but only allowed like 44% of the passes to be completed. LOL don't talk to me about a possibly fluke INT meaning his season wasn't that good. He may never repeat that success but lets not try and downplay how good he was just because he had an injury ruined season.

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/extra-points/2012/nfl-leaders-defeats-weeks-1-13 

This was an interesting bit from week 13 that year.

Hayward is a stunner, right there. Green Bay's rookie nickelback has five picks, but he also has six PDs on third down plus one on fourth, eight tackles that stopped a third-down reception short of the sticks, and a pass deflection that led to an interception by Eric Walden.

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