voiceofreason
10 years ago
Winning the division means that for most fans, their team beat out their most hated rivals. That absolutely holds value on an entertainment level, and that is why we watch entertainment. Outside of gambling the only real reason we have for being fans is pride.
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musccy
10 years ago

If that brick isn't the sturdiest of the four ... umm ... lol

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



Whoa, back up the truck here. I grew up under power lines so I'm a little slow. Not picking up on this analogy.

musccy
10 years ago

Ask most NFL coaches what their goal is at the beginning of the season and they will say to win the division. Once that goal is accomplished the super bowl is next. Yes I understand wildcards, if winning divisions are so pointless then why have them at all? Or conferences for that matter. Because it adds to the entertainment value.

Originally Posted by: voiceofreason 



It's a fabricated system to minimize pointless games towards the end of the regular season and add a dimension to regional/historical rivalries.

If you just take the top 6 teams, the Packers-Bears game would have been almost meaningless aside from some pride. Some of the NFC East games in the last week would have gone from play in games to pointless as well.

It creates drama but also provides an opportunity for inferior teams to get into the playoffs.



steveishere
10 years ago

It's a fabricated system to minimize pointless games towards the end of the regular season and add a dimension to regional/historical rivalries.

If you just take the top 6 teams, the Packers-Bears game would have been almost meaningless aside from some pride. Some of the NFC East games in the last week would have gone from play in games to pointless as well.

It creates drama but also provides an opportunity for inferior teams to get into the playoffs.



Originally Posted by: musccy 



We don't live in some alternate dimension where they just take the top 6 teams though, we live in a world where there are divisions and winning the division isn't arbitrary or meaningless towards making the playoffs or entertainment value or otherwise.
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sschind
10 years ago

I think Big Willy sums my view up nicely.



The division championship is a brick

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



I guess I would say to Will Smith if you are not setting out to build a wall why are you laying a brick in the first place but I get what he is saying.

The ultimate goal is the Super Bowl (the wall) but the divisional championship is an important part of that wall.
voiceofreason
10 years ago
Divisional rivalries are real to me. They add alot to my enjoyment of football as a whole. Much like fantasy football has brought the NFL to new heights of popularity by making games that would otherwise be "meaningless" important. So to do rivalries add that extra something. My personal fandom is based just as much on my hatred for the Bears and Vikings (and a lesser degree the Lions) as it is on my love of the packers.
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sschind
10 years ago

Ask most NFL coaches what their goal is at the beginning of the season and they will say to win the division. Once that goal is accomplished the super bowl is next. Yes I understand wildcards, if winning divisions are so pointless then why have them at all? Or conferences for that matter. Because it adds to the entertainment value.

Originally Posted by: voiceofreason 



You never hear a coach or player say "our first goal is to be one of the wild cards teams." Yes, sometimes they will say "our first goal is to make the playoffs" which does incorporate the wild cards but I would be willing to bet the vast majority of them are referring to winning the division.

As far as this comment if winning divisions are so pointless then why have them at all a lot of people ask that very same question and they are very serious about it.

musccy
10 years ago

We don't live in some alternate dimension where they just take the top 6 teams though, we live in a world where there are divisions and winning the division isn't arbitrary or meaningless towards making the playoffs or entertainment value or otherwise.

Originally Posted by: steveishere 



...which I've acknowledged in previous posts and still do. There are tangible benefits to winning the division.

Of course winning the division at 8-7-1 is better than being the Cardinals and left out of last year's playoffs, but I'd also much rather be 10-6 and in the playoffs as a W.C. than a 7-9 division winner. My argument pertains to the prestige of winning the division.

The 2010 season is my prime example. The Bears won the division - whoop de doooo. They can go hang a banner, have some rice crispy squares and juice boxes, maybe even get some gold star stickers to put on their desks and lockers for all I care. Meanwhile, I'll go admire the Lombardi trophy that the Packers won as a runner up in the division.
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DoddPower
10 years ago

Divisional rivalries are real to me. They add alot to my enjoyment of football as a whole. Much like fantasy football has brought the NFL to new heights of popularity by making games that would otherwise be "meaningless" important. So to do rivalries add that extra something. My personal fandom is based just as much on my hatred for the Bears and Vikings (and a lesser degree the Lions) as it is on my love of the packers.

Originally Posted by: voiceofreason 



Exactly. The NFL is nothing more than entertainment. That's all it is, and that's all it should be. Winning the division and beating the disliked division rivals is very entertaining to many. Therefore, it's an important aspect of each season. Yes, obviously and rhetorically winning a Super Bowl trumps winning a division. But most NFL fans know that their team isn't going to win the Super Bowl every season. If my team can't win the Super Bowl, I most certainly want to at LEAST be better than my division rivals. It's a hierarchy, for sure. There is nothing more important or meaningful in the NFL than being a champion, but since that's impossible every single season, I certainly want my favorite team to at least win the division. From there, I hope for them to at least win a playoff game or two. From there, the conference, etc. But from my perspective, winning the division is certainly more meaningful than not, even if it is less meaningful than winning the Super Bowl.
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dfosterf
10 years ago
I do not like squandering a once in a lifetime quarterback. I read some of the previous, but not all. You do not squander a once in a lifetime quarterback, period. Being competitive is wasting that talent. You all have seen it. The man has spent a large percentage of his life on his back. This year? we have a line for him? MANY have blamed him. I personally haven't seen that. IMO the Packers should have prioritized a protection scheme for Rodgers, from the day he walked on the field as a starter.

IMO, given time, the man can throw it to Joe Blow from Outer Blow Maine college (pickup) if given(again) the little bit of time an NFL QB needs.

There seem to be a lot of good QB's coming along these days, but my paranoia is well-founded. I went 28 years in hell, with some highlights between great ones.

I want to win it all with this QB. Right Now. I do not think we did enough elsewhere to do so, but if that o line holds, anything is possible, imo
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