DakotaT
10 years ago
Sherrod represents something I seek out in people: the ability to come back from having your dick knocked in the dirt. A good majority of people don't have what it takes, their character makeup isn't strong enough. The fact that Sherrod is still training and trying to get back on the field tells me that he has the character necessary to make this comeback.

Every one of us should be rooting for Sherrod to not only make the team, but to beat out Bacteria for the starting spot. Logic tells us this won't happen. LT is Bacteria's job to lose.
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uffda udfa
10 years ago

Sherrod represents something I seek out in people: the ability to come back from having your dick knocked in the dirt. A good majority of people don't have what it takes, their character makeup isn't strong enough. The fact that Sherrod is still training and trying to get back on the field tells me that he has the character necessary to make this comeback.

Every one of us should be rooting for Sherrod to not only make the team, but to beat out Bacteria for the starting spot. Logic tells us this won't happen. LT is Bacteria's job to lose.

Originally Posted by: DakotaT 



I don't know if I buy this... yet. He has been knocked down. He's been well compensated over the years to do rehab work. Now, his meal ticket is in question. If he responds and shows something I would agree with you that he's proven he can get back up. If he fails miserably and we don't hear from again then I think he was a guy who just treaded water until the money ran out.

I'm pulling for him for sure...it would make us that much better if he's better than Bakhtiari. His odds are low but he was a 1st rounder which should give him better odds than a non first rounder in the same situation. He had some ability and impressive athleticism. Campen says he looks "terrific". A few more weeks and we'll be hearing how true or not true that statement is.


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nerdmann
10 years ago

I don't know if I buy this... yet. He has been knocked down. He's been well compensated over the years to do rehab work. Now, his meal ticket is in question. If he responds and shows something I would agree with you that he's proven he can get back up. If he fails miserably and we don't hear from again then I think he was a guy who just treaded water until the money ran out.

I'm pulling for him for sure...it would make us that much better if he's better than Bakhtiari. His odds are low but he was a 1st rounder which should give him better odds than a non first rounder in the same situation. He had some ability and impressive athleticism. Campen says he looks "terrific". A few more weeks and we'll be hearing how true or not true that statement is.

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DakotaT
10 years ago

Is this Texas under a new account?

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



Well that was a quote right out of Dumbassville. I do like the way Uffda defends his argument, even if he might be wrong. Kind of reminds me of someone, but I just can't remember who. ('[grin1] ')
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mi_keys
10 years ago

Is this Texas under a new account?

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



If it is, someone call the psychiatrist... they got in a big argument in the back alley if memory serves. That would be some mean split personality disorder.
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mi_keys
10 years ago
On topic, this is the year that Sherrod has to step up and at least show something. Hopefully, he at least shows he can be the top backup and pushes Bakhtiari to better himself.
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Mucky Tundra
10 years ago
I think Sherrod will end up contributing. Granted it's because I think Bulaga will get hurt again but still.
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uffda udfa
10 years ago

I'll give him a 75% chance that he's a player.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



The average bust rate for the first round per a 10 yr. study put the bust rate for first rounders at 46%. By definition, that means Sherrod had only a 54% chance of not busting BEFORE all this stuff happened to him. He was also the very last pick in the first round which I have no data for but common sense says means his bust rate would be even higher.

So, couple an already 46% chance he busts the day he was drafted add the injury and all the lost time and throw in he was the 32nd pick in Round 1 and I'd say his odds have increased considerably from the 46% chance he would bust from Day 1.


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10 years ago

The average bust rate for the first round per a 10 yr. study put the bust rate for first rounders at 46%. By definition, that means Sherrod had only a 54% chance of not busting BEFORE all this stuff happened to him. He was also the very last pick in the first round which I have no data for but common sense says means his bust rate would be even higher.

So, couple an already 46% chance he busts the day he was drafted add the injury and all the lost time and throw in he was the 32nd pick in Round 1 and I'd say his odds have increased considerably from the 46% chance he would bust from Day 1.

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I don't have the data either but I would say the success rate for a #32 pick is higher than the average for other first round picks. The reason is the teams that draft @ 32 are typically the better teams. They do not have to rush the player into the game as quickly. They can truly draft the best player instead of the highest rated player at a position of need who they pretend is the BPA. They can get the draft pick on to the field a little at a time, pull him off and then talk about what he experienced. There is not a lot of pressure on the player to be the savior of the team or even the offense or defense.

Even though they were not the 32nd picks just look at GB first round picks this year and in 2005. A lot of people expect great things out of Ha Ha this year. Aaron was allowed to sit for 3 years before he had to step up.

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uffda udfa
10 years ago

I don't have the data either but I would say the success rate for a #32 pick is higher than the average for other first round picks. The reason is the teams that draft @ 32 are typically the better teams. They do not have to rush the player into the game as quickly. They can truly draft the best player instead of the highest rated player at a position of need who they pretend is the BPA. They can get the draft pick on to the field a little at a time, pull him off and then talk about what he experienced. There is not a lot of pressure on the player to be the savior of the team or even the offense or defense.

Even though they were not the 32nd picks just look at GB first round picks this year and in 2005. A lot of people expect great things out of Ha Ha this year. Aaron was allowed to sit for 3 years before he had to step up.

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That's a great point. I was thinking along the lines that it would make sense to find more can't miss players up high in picks 1-10 vs. 22-32.

With a QB, I think that would make some sense, but how many SB winners, or those that are playoff teams are drafting QB's in Round 1?

The thing that troubled me about Sherrod is there was no positive buzz about him like there was with some other guys like a Greg Jennings, Casey Hayward, etc. He wasn't making any waves early and seemed to be treading water. If you're a 1st round OT and you can't get on the field with the line we had when he was drafted, that was a very disappointing omen. It is hard for me to believe a guy with no positive buzz who wasn't making hey to play vs. the guys we had there, then, how is he going to do so now?

His movement to G after drafting him a T might be all the reason he struggled as he didn't play G at Mississippi State. The Packers had an even more liberal move guys around philosophy regarding the OL than they do now. I'm all for a guy being able wear multiple hats but make sure he is good at one before you move him. He never got a shot at tackle. Campen and musical positions has usually done us a disservice. A couple of smart decisions that worked out were realizing Bryan Bulaga was not a LT and putting him on the right side...Guard made sense for him and of course the switch of Sitton and Lang.

What a boon to the team it would be if Derek overcomes the odds and excels at LT...it'd be like an extra 1st rounder added for this season.


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