nerdmann
11 years ago

I'm not saying I expect our entire corps to be blazers, but it's crazy to me that we don't have one. You don't think that would make us even better on offense? You seem quite content with our speed at WR. Is our crew pretty good... absolutely. Would you like to address the idea that we don't have a guy who can take the top off a defense which was one of Rodgers laments that teams were taking away their long game? We had nobody on the roster that could just simply consistently run by people last year or the year before or the year before that. Sam Shields can change a game with his speed and often does. Where is that on O? Other teams in the NFCN have guys who can change games with their speed. We do not. Randall is the closest thing we have... and he is the type I'm referring to but just a bit faster is what I'm longing for.

It's nice that you're content with "the way things are"... don't you hope for better? I do. I see a speed merchant WR as a way to be better but I'll just get another reply about how so and so and so and so are good enough. Man, I hope Janis can play and make this team so we can have what it is I feel would make us that much better and more dangerous.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 



Driver was a track guy.

What gets Greg Jennings open is short area quickness. Cobb is like that too, he can change direction on a dime.
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uffda udfa
11 years ago
Driver was a track guy but he lost his speed years before he was completely done. He and Woodson both had to go when they could no longer run as they once did.
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steveishere
11 years ago

I'm not saying I expect our entire corps to be blazers, but it's crazy to me that we don't have one. You don't think that would make us even better on offense? You seem quite content with our speed at WR. Is our crew pretty good... absolutely. Would you like to address the idea that we don't have a guy who can take the top off a defense which was one of Rodgers laments that teams were taking away their long game? We had nobody on the roster that could just simply consistently run by people last year or the year before or the year before that. Sam Shields can change a game with his speed and often does. Where is that on O? Other teams in the NFCN have guys who can change games with their speed. We do not. Randall is the closest thing we have... and he is the type I'm referring to but just a bit faster is what I'm longing for.

It's nice that you're content with "the way things are"... don't you hope for better? I do. I see a speed merchant WR as a way to be better but I'll just get another reply about how so and so and so and so are good enough. Man, I hope Janis can play and make this team so we can have what it is I feel would make us that much better and more dangerous.

EDIT: I almost forgot that at least we have DuJuan Harris...if he's anything like he was, he's the kind of guy that our O needs. That speed and shiftiness of his is electric. An element that we sorely lack.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 



Yeah, I always want us to be better and there are a lot of ways to be better besides having guys with a faster 40 time. How the shit is our speed at WR lacking when we've had one of the top big play WRs on our team the last 3 years and one of the most productive big play passing games? For some reason you seem to think me saying our speed is good enough means me saying that our speed isn't very good, I'm not saying that. I think our speed on offense is very good and our big play ability is very good and has been for quite some time.

I don't really see the difference between having a guy that will change a game with his speed or a guy that will change a game with something else he's good at. I like guys who change the game because they are good football players whether that be because they are super fast or because of something else. Casey Hayward had as much impact in his healthy season as any season Sam Shields has had. Give me 5 Haywards or 5 Shields I don't care I just want us to have great players I don't care so much what attribute that greatness manifests it self in as long as it helps us win and I'm not going to pout and cry and get depressed that a guy sucks just because he's not great at a certain attribute.

Heck look at Eddie Lacy, dude's not a burner but he sure as hell changed some games for us.
uffda udfa
11 years ago
I'm perplexed by that response.... I know that you think our speed is fine...that is what is baffling. You cling to these 40 yard gains. We've been fortunate that our guys have won many jump balls and contested type catches. Yes, that skill is very important as well. However, how many plays are we leaving on the field that we could hit if our guys could actually separate consistently on deep routes? I just don't see any response that makes any sense for why it's okay not to have a guy who burns the turf at WR. It is a peculiar thing to keep insisting that it's wrong for me to be concerned with finding a guy who can jet.

When a defensive coordinator prepares for our O, he can do things to our O because it doesn't have a guy who flat out flies that they need to respect. A D can be played that takes away our long game due to the fact we don't have a speed guy. I'm not sure how you missed that point that I've tried making a couple of times very unsuccessfully. I'm all for guys changing games with whatever unique skill set they possess, but the one that is MISSING is... GREAT SPEED. That is not a tool in our toolbox and as I said things can be crafted to stop us based on the fact we don't have speed that needs respecting. Wouldn't it be nice to have that alternative? A guy who could beat some of the defenses designed to stop our O the way it's currently constituted without a flier?
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steveishere
11 years ago
With how easy it is to apparently craft a defense to stop our offense teams sure aren't too successful doing it. Why do you keep insisting our guys don't get any separation on deep routes, they get plenty of separation on deep routes. We don't really have any jump ball type WRs without Finley so I don't see how you can say we've thrived on that type of play. Our offense thrives on YAC which wouldn't be possible without guys getting separation. Having a super fast guy would be great but I'm not gonna cry about passing up a "speed" for a guy who is possibly a better WR but didn't time as fast.

Plus having a bruiser running game is going to make it really tough for teams to keep worrying about the deep ball. This is going to be a dangerous offense next year.
DarkaneRules
11 years ago
We are also lucky to have a quarterback that can throw dudes open. It creates a lot of wow moments during a season. Those plays always impress me more than the deep ones.
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uffda udfa
11 years ago
Our guys don't get plenty of separation on deep routes...if they did they'd be walking them into the endzone for TD's. You've gotta be kidding me on this aspect. Jones, Boykin, Nelson, all three of them make a lot of contested crazy catches. None of those guys are just blowing by CB's. Cobb can do it occasionally as he's the fastest guy we've got. Again, I see this issue 180 from you.
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sschind
11 years ago
if we had a real speedster (like Corey Bradford for example) just think how many more long passes Rodgers would launch. Then we would have to listen to that much more complaining by those among us who think all he does is throw long.

I get what you are saying Uffda and it would be nice to have a speedster but you seem to be advocating speed for the sake of speed. We have all seen super fast guys flame out quickly.

You listed a group of some pretty good players and I won't argue with you on any of them. Except maybe Hester. Yeah he is a game changer but that is on STs not at W. Also Ebron, we have no idea if our TEs or any of the other players we drafted will out perform him. Oh and AD and Bush since they are RBs. Other than that yeah I would kill to have a player like Megatron or Moss (at least a player with his ability anyway) or Patterson (I do think this guy will be special) and maybe even Harvin ( though what good is a fast guy if he can't get on the field.)

On the other hand, since you brought up the NFC North, would you trade our pass receiving corps (WR's and TE's) for the Bears Lions or vikings.

My answer, the Bears I probably would make that switch. I'd take Jeffry and Marshall over Nelson and Cobb in a heartbeat but I'm not really sure about the Bears depth. (though to be honest I am not all that sure about our depth any more) I know they have a #3 that they are very high on. The Lions and vikings no way. You know what's funny about that, Jeffry and Marshall weren't even on your list of fast guys ( I don't know what their speed is but they they make catches and that is what is important.)


I wouldn't want Devin Hester as one of the WRs I had to rely on and we all know he is (was) very fast. To me the bottom line is a WR needs to be able to catch the ball, run great routes, break tackles, move the sticks and score TDs. If he can do all that and he is fast so much the better but if he can do those things and his speed is average, I'll take that too.
Dexter_Sinister
11 years ago
Fast, stupid and can't catch is no way to go through life son.

Hester is a waste of meat at WR.
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uffda udfa
11 years ago

if we had a real speedster (like Corey Bradford for example) just think how many more long passes Rodgers would launch. Then we would have to listen to that much more complaining by those among us who think all he does is throw long.

I get what you are saying Uffda and it would be nice to have a speedster but you seem to be advocating speed for the sake of speed. We have all seen super fast guys flame out quickly.

You listed a group of some pretty good players and I won't argue with you on any of them. Except maybe Hester. Yeah he is a game changer but that is on STs not at W. Also Ebron, we have no idea if our TEs or any of the other players we drafted will out perform him. Oh and AD and Bush since they are RBs. Other than that yeah I would kill to have a player like Megatron or Moss (at least a player with his ability anyway) or Patterson (I do think this guy will be special) and maybe even Harvin ( though what good is a fast guy if he can't get on the field.)

On the other hand, since you brought up the NFC North, would you trade our pass receiving corps (WR's and TE's) for the Bears Lions or vikings.

My answer, the Bears I probably would make that switch. I'd take Jeffry and Marshall over Nelson and Cobb in a heartbeat but I'm not really sure about the Bears depth. (though to be honest I am not all that sure about our depth any more) I know they have a #3 that they are very high on. The Lions and vikings no way. You know what's funny about that, Jeffry and Marshall weren't even on your list of fast guys ( I don't know what their speed is but they they make catches and that is what is important.)


I wouldn't want Devin Hester as one of the WRs I had to rely on and we all know he is (was) very fast. To me the bottom line is a WR needs to be able to catch the ball, run great routes, break tackles, move the sticks and score TDs. If he can do all that and he is fast so much the better but if he can do those things and his speed is average, I'll take that too.

Originally Posted by: sschind 



I don't want speed for sake of speed... I want a guy who can change games with speed ala Shields. The first year Shields was with us he was pretty much clueless but his speed made up for much of what he didn't know. I want a Shields type on O.

Hester was brought up for his speed on returns. I would take Marshall and Jeffery over Nelson and Cobb also. Neither of them is a burner. Jeffery is 6'3 with high 4.4 speed. Marshall is 6'5 and runs low 4.5's. Their size is their weapon. Those are some big dudes. I didn't bring either up in my previous post because they aren't speed guys...they're size guys. Marquess Wilson is the guy they're high on...he could be a very good weapon for them with the varied attack they have. He's another tall guy... 6'4...and Bennett is a tall TE.



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