nerdmann
11 years ago
Ranking Thompson's best, worst 1st-round picks 

That huge whiff on the No. 16 overall pick, along with the Packers’ inability to get much production from their last three first-rounders — Derek Sherrod in 2011, Nick Perry in 2012 and Datone Jones in 2013 — leaves the impression Thompson hasn’t been very successful in Round 1.



Harrell was a calculated gamble. Sometimes you do that. But let's face it. The problem here is INJURIES. These guys can all play, at LEAST as well as AJ Hawk.

Both missed on linemen, with Thompson’s selection of Sherrod looking a lot like Wolf’s choice of John Michels. And Wolf matched Thompson’s Harrell stinker with the drafting of bust Jamal Reynolds.



Bullshit and bullshit. John Micheals, "the thinking man's LT," just couldn't play. He was a converted defensive lineman who had ONE year on offense. Sherrod just shattered the hell out of his leg. And let's face it, trying to make him play G was stupid. As for Jamal Reynolds, he just didn't have it. Harrell was a calculated gamble, as I stated above. But it wasn't a question of whether he could play. The question was whether he could stay healthy.

Thompson also has made the majority of his first-round picks later in the round, when talented players are harder to find.

Seven of Wolf’s 12 first-round picks were No. 19 or earlier, while just three of Thompson’s 11 first-rounders were that early, assuming the Packers don’t trade up this year.



Huge factor. Much easier to get a guy in the top 15 than at the bottom of the round.

FACT. Keep these guys healthy, and suddenly Ted looks like the genius he is.


“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”
wpr
  • wpr
  • Preferred Member
11 years ago
I don't want a GM to take a "calculated risk" in the first round. Not really in the 2nd round either. Risk taking is for the 4th round and later.

Harrell was just a horrible pick. Period. Everyone knew he was an injury risk. Everyone. IF he would have been healthy he was suppose to be a top pick but if he is not healthy he wasn't even a 3rd round pick.

As so many have pointed out it was hardly a tough choice to take Aaron. He was by far the BPA. While QB was not an immediate need for the upcoming season, QB was a need as they had to start to develop Brett's replacement.

Ted's best pick was trading back into the first the pick up CM3. The players that were taken with GB's picks were Darius Butler, Derek Cox and Brandon Tate. Now if NE selected Jairus Byrd and Mike Wallace instead of Butler andTate maybe we would grade the deal differently. (Cox drafted by Jacksonville in a trade with NE.) This proves what I have been saying for years. Trading up for a stud player is better than trading down to get 2-3 average quality players.
nerdmann
11 years ago

I don't want a GM to take a "calculated risk" in the first round. Not really in the 2nd round either. Risk taking is for the 4th round and later.

Harrell was just a horrible pick. Period. Everyone knew he was an injury risk. Everyone. IF he would have been healthy he was suppose to be a top pick but if he is not healthy he wasn't even a 3rd round pick.

As so many have pointed out it was hardly a tough choice to take Aaron. He was by far the BPA. While QB was not an immediate need for the upcoming season, QB was a need as they had to start to develop Brett's replacement.

Ted's best pick was trading back into the first the pick up CM3. The players that were taken with GB's picks were Darius Butler, Derek Cox and Brandon Tate. Now if NE selected Jairus Byrd and Mike Wallace instead of Butler andTate maybe we would grade the deal differently. (Cox drafted by Jacksonville in a trade with NE.) This proves what I have been saying for years. Trading up for a stud player is better than trading down to get 2-3 average quality players.

Originally Posted by: wpr 



So you'd rather have Ted only take "safe" players, like AJ Hawk?
“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”
luigis
11 years ago
Harrell was a horrible pick but he wasn't Ahmad Carroll. At least it is supossed in theoretical physics that an uninjured Harrell could have played well.

AJ Hawk was a mandatory average pick.

The move for CM3 was really brilliant.

Rodgers was gutsy.

The best pick Ted has done so far for me was Jordy he got the best player of the whole draft in the 2nd round.

Luis
wpr
  • wpr
  • Preferred Member
11 years ago

So you'd rather have Ted only take "safe" players, like AJ Hawk?

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



yes I wanted Ted to take Hawk. He was clearly the BPA according the vast majority of experts. It was a need for GB as well. Good fit. People also knew he was not going to be a HoFer.

Yes in the first round as I said, maybe I need to use little words for you, I don't want to take players who are a risk. Not even at #32. There are more than 30 young men who are capable of playing, even starting, in the NFL. Don't reach for a "might be" in round 1.
nerdmann
11 years ago

yes I wanted Ted to take Hawk. He was clearly the BPA according the vast majority of experts. It was a need for GB as well. Good fit. People also knew he was not going to be a HoFer.

Yes in the first round as I said, maybe I need to use little words for you, I don't want to take players who are a risk. Not even at #32. There are more than 30 young men who are capable of playing, even starting, in the NFL. Don't reach for a "might be" in round 1.

Originally Posted by: wpr 



So I guess you hate the Clay Matthews pick then.
“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”
wpr
  • wpr
  • Preferred Member
11 years ago

So I guess you hate the Clay Matthews pick then.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



I have no idea why you are saying that. I already said Clay was the best #1 pick.

I said moving up for a better quality player works out better than moving down, usually.

We are not discussing whether or not Ted should have done something else with his picks. Just rating the first round picks that he made.

And whether or not you like Hawk he has set or will set the all time tackling record for GB. I guess that makes him a little better than average even if they have not kept the stat for the past 100 years.
nerdmann
11 years ago

I have no idea why you are saying that. I already said Clay was the best #1 pick.

I said moving up for a better quality player works out better than moving down, usually.

We are not discussing whether or not Ted should have done something else with his picks. Just rating the first round picks that he made.

And whether or not you like Hawk he has set or will set the all time tackling record for GB. I guess that makes him a little better than average even if they have not kept the stat for the past 100 years.

Originally Posted by: wpr 



I said it, because it was risky to trade back up like that.
“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”
wpr
  • wpr
  • Preferred Member
11 years ago

I said it, because it was risky to trade back up like that.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



no CM3 was a solid pick. He may not have had 3 years as an All American but there was plenty of film on what he could do.

Look every single player is a risk. They could not stretch out and rip the hammy. They could get hit by a bus. He could be kidnapped and turned into Taliban love slave. Any thing could happen but in reality not very likely.
nerdmann
11 years ago

no CM3 was a solid pick. He may not have had 3 years as an All American but there was plenty of film on what he could do.

Look every single player is a risk. They could not stretch out and rip the hammy. They could get hit by a bus. He could be kidnapped and turned into Taliban love slave. Any thing could happen but in reality not very likely.

Originally Posted by: wpr 



Wow man, so you know ahead of time that Clay was gonna pan out like he did.

Perhaps you'd care to name the top 5 pro bowlers in this years draft? I'm gonna be putting together my board soon, could use the insight.
“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”
Fan Shout
Zero2Cool (4h) : Lions shopping Jameson Williams?
packerfanoutwest (11h) : Packers General Manager Brian Gutekunst says Green Bay’s roster can win, even without adding anyone in the draft.
Zero2Cool (12h) : It's a poor design. New site has SignalR like our gameday chat
wpr (12h) : Ah today's Shout was very quick to post.
wpr (12h) : now 3
Zero2Cool (13h) : Who? What?
beast (22h) : What is he supposed to say? He doesn't want players currently on the team?
Martha Careful (21-Apr) : meh
Zero2Cool (21-Apr) : Sounds like Walker and Wyatt will be with Packers for beyond 2026
Zero2Cool (21-Apr) : It's so awesome.
Zero2Cool (21-Apr) : new site fan shout post fast
wpr (21-Apr) : Slow posting in Fan shout.
wpr (21-Apr) : Only 4
wpr (21-Apr) : Only 4
Zero2Cool (21-Apr) : If only we had a topic to read about and discuss it. That's something new website must have!!!
dfosterf (21-Apr) : Justice Musqueda over at Acme Packing put up an excellent synopsis of the Packers 1st round options this am
wpr (19-Apr) : 5 days
beast (18-Apr) : 6 days
wpr (17-Apr) : 7 days
Zero2Cool (16-Apr) : sounds like Packers don't get good compensation, Jaire staying
dfosterf (16-Apr) : Nobody coming up with a keep, but at x amount
dfosterf (16-Apr) : Trade, cut or keep
dfosterf (16-Apr) : that from Jaire
dfosterf (16-Apr) : My guess is the Packers floated the concept of a reworked contract via his agent and agent got a f'
Zero2Cool (16-Apr) : Yes, and that is why I think Rob worded it how he did. Rather than say "agent"
dfosterf (16-Apr) : Same laws apply. Agent must present such an offer to Jaire. Cannot accept or reject without presenting it
Zero2Cool (16-Apr) : I'm thinking that is why Rob worded it how he did.
dfosterf (16-Apr) : The Packers can certainly still make the offer to the agent
dfosterf (16-Apr) : Laws of agency and definition of fiduciary responsibility
dfosterf (16-Apr) : Jaire is open to a reduced contract without Jaire's permission
dfosterf (16-Apr) : The agent would arguably violate the law if he were to tell the Packers
Zero2Cool (16-Apr) : That someone ... likely the agent.
Zero2Cool (16-Apr) : So, Jaire has not been offered nor rejected a pay reduction, but someone says he'd decline.
Zero2Cool (16-Apr) : Demovksy says t was direct communication with someone familiar with Jaire’s line of thinking at that moment.
Zero2Cool (16-Apr) : Demovsky just replied to me a bit ago. Jaire hasn't said it.
dfosterf (16-Apr) : Of course, that depends on the definition of "we"
dfosterf (16-Apr) : We have been told that they haven't because he wouldn't accept it. I submit we don't know that
dfosterf (16-Apr) : What is the downside in making a calculated reduced offer to Jaire?
Zero2Cool (15-Apr) : Packers are receiving interest in Jaire Alexander but a trade is not imminent
Zero2Cool (15-Apr) : Jalen Ramsey wants to be traded. He's never happy is he?
Zero2Cool (15-Apr) : two 1sts in 2022 and two 2nd's in 2023 and 2024
Zero2Cool (15-Apr) : Packers had fortunate last three drafts.
dfosterf (15-Apr) : I may have to move
dfosterf (15-Apr) : My wife just told the ancient Japanese sushi dude not enough rice under his fish
Zero2Cool (14-Apr) : I think a dozen is what I need
dfosterf (14-Apr) : Go fund me for this purpose just might work. A dozen nurses show up at 1265 to provide mental health assistance.
dfosterf (14-Apr) : Maybe send a crew of Angels to the Packers draft room on draft day.
Zero2Cool (14-Apr) : I am the Angel that gets visited.
dfosterf (14-Apr) : Visiting Angels has a pretty good reputation
Zero2Cool (14-Apr) : what
Please sign in to use Fan Shout
2024 Packers Schedule
Friday, Sep 6 @ 7:15 PM
Eagles
Sunday, Sep 15 @ 12:00 PM
COLTS
Sunday, Sep 22 @ 12:00 PM
Titans
Sunday, Sep 29 @ 12:00 PM
VIKINGS
Sunday, Oct 6 @ 3:25 PM
Rams
Sunday, Oct 13 @ 12:00 PM
CARDINALS
Sunday, Oct 20 @ 12:00 PM
TEXANS
Sunday, Oct 27 @ 12:00 PM
Jaguars
Sunday, Nov 3 @ 3:25 PM
LIONS
Sunday, Nov 17 @ 12:00 PM
Bears
Sunday, Nov 24 @ 3:25 PM
49ERS
Thursday, Nov 28 @ 7:20 PM
DOLPHINS
Thursday, Dec 5 @ 7:15 PM
Lions
Sunday, Dec 15 @ 7:20 PM
Seahawks
Monday, Dec 23 @ 7:15 PM
SAINTS
Sunday, Dec 29 @ 3:25 PM
Vikings
Sunday, Jan 5 @ 12:00 PM
BEARS
Recent Topics
4h / Packers Draft Threads / Zero2Cool

6h / Random Babble / Martha Careful

6h / Green Bay Packers Talk / Martha Careful

12h / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

22-Apr / Green Bay Packers Talk / dfosterf

17-Apr / Random Babble / wpr

16-Apr / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

13-Apr / Green Bay Packers Talk / Martha Careful

12-Apr / Feedback, Suggestions and Issues / Zero2Cool

11-Apr / Feedback, Suggestions and Issues / Rockmolder

2-Apr / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

2-Apr / Green Bay Packers Talk / bboystyle

1-Apr / Green Bay Packers Talk / Mucky Tundra

1-Apr / Green Bay Packers Talk / wpr

31-Mar / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

Headlines
Copyright © 2006 - 2025 PackersHome.com™. All Rights Reserved.