No the economic crisis at the end of the Bush fiasco is on your type of people. Do we blame the recipients of the Ninja loans, or do we blame the people who made the money off of those loans? In these situations you blame the people who took the money and ran, just like the vultures on Wall Street who get their cut even if the stocks lose value. But in the minds of people like you, that's just all fine and good! Legal, I guess technically - ethical, a resounding hell no. But you somehow blame the leftists instead of the douchebag right wingers with all of their failed economic philosophies: huge tax cuts for the wealthy and then they'll share it with the rest of the masses. 🙄 How 30 years of that was allowed to happen ranks right up there with the devil convincing the world he doesn't exist.

Originally Posted by: DakotaT 

No Texas, the guys that walked away with the money are the people to blame. You can polish up turds all you want, but at the end of the day, you point the finger at the thieves. What upsets me are the amount of taxpaying Americans such as yourself who just say "oh that's how it is", we can't do anything about it. And the thieves go unprosecuted and laugh as they spend their ill gotten wealth. America, what a country, there is no honor left here anymore so spare me all that patriotic crap you seem to always be so proud of.

Originally Posted by: DakotaT 

You keep saying that, but you fail to say, WHAT money? Stolen by WHOM? And HOW did they "steal" it?

You have a bunch of poor unqualified people who got houses with mortgages they never should have been allowed to get. They lived there for a while, got way behind on payments - usually 7-9 months before finally being foreclosed. You have the mortgage companies - who you seem to be saying benefited - that put up a big lump sum of money for which they failed to receive payments. They ended up with houses mostly trashed out and severely lower in value because of the market crash. What exactly did THEY steal? You have these big corporations like A.I.G. that bought bundles of these mortgages that were defaulted on, and took a beating that way. Did they steal anything? You have Obama's housing czar and a couple of others who really cleaned up on kickbacks or some kind of corruption, but somehow I doubt THEY are the "thieves" you are referring to.

Patriotic crap? Hell Yeah. Through it all, America is still on top of the world. We basically ALL have great lives, and it will continue as long as YOUR kind of people are kept in check even a little bit from fucking things up.

Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker 

Haven't you ever taken out a mortgage? Weren't there some incredible costs in the loan process? And then if there were new homes being built, there would have had to have been at least 10% paid to the contractor. I would call any loan officer and the bank he/she works for who gives a loan out to a person who could not possibly afford the home, a thief. But that's how I think, that's my ethics. I would also call most of the businessmen in this country who take a product, put a 40% markup on it, and resell it, a thief. But that is how I think. That is not honorable work, and then turn around a pay your employee as little as you have to is not ethical, in my mind! Are we getting a clearer picture, yet? You call them Christian achievers, and I don't see it that way.

And I think you better start wrapping your mind around the concept of a global economy. But thankfully for your old ass on the dole, you'll never have to actually work in it, and maybe I'll continue being a spoiled American for another 20 years too.

Originally Posted by: DakotaT 

Not Texas, only a small percentage of people in those capitalistic societies are thriving, and you're not one of those in ours. Just another of the unpaid soldiers, who vote for the criminals. And you also need to quit comparing everything to Walmart for markup. I'm talking about the contractor/retailers in this country making money hand over fist and then balk at paying $20 an hour with limited benefits. 40% markup for them is standard.

The check and balance on capitalism is taxes. Unfortunately for all of us little people, the Capitalists own the government and keep giving legalized tax evasion, which is why people are pissed off at the redistribution of wealth from the middle class to the top 5%. It really is that simple - but buffoons keep muddling up the works because you listen to the right wing programming.

Originally Posted by: DakotaT 

Gosh, Dakota, you're off your game today. I read this a few hours ago, but I was a little busy then. Besides, it didn't hurt to let your weak effort sit there unchallenged for a while.

As for those other countries operating on capitalist principals, how many of those countries have you been to in the last decade or two? Which of them did not seem to be thriving - and I mean down to the masses? My count is 5, not counting Canada and Mexico, and they all seemed to be doing fine. For that matter, thanks for your concern hahahaha, but I'm doing fine too - just like virtually everybody else in this country.

You were not real clear about that 40% mark up thing. Are you saying Walmart DOESN'T make that much - which would certainly be correct? Are you saying that more small-time "contractors and retailers" have a bigger profit margin than Walmart? That doesn't sound correct, but who knows. Anyway, the relevant point - about which you show GROSS lack of understanding - is that market forces control what a business can and can't do in terms of profit margin, prices, wages paid, etc. , NOT government intrusion either by taxes, as you fantasize or by regulation. Tax and regulation just tend to screw things up. How in the hell do you expect any company, big or small, to thrive or even survive if they are charging too much for their goods or services? And how do you expect a company to get decent employees if they don't pay the wage the market requires?

They do charge what they need to charge and pay whatever wages they need to charge. As a result, we all have the greatest life of any people in the history of the world. Would you actually say we don't? And the rest of the world, while still way behind us in America - as they should be, are making progress too - those with the sense to do things our way, anyway. It's all good - for everybody except the loons who hate America's success - you know, Dakota, people like you see when you look in the mirror.

Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker 

It's amazing to me the mediocrity you accept as "everyone is doing great". I guess the only benchmark you use is that they have crappy food to eat. You and I live in different universes. I'm going to start being like you and not give a fuck about anybody and just live in my own little bubble. What I do know is that those superheroes of yours, the capitalists, are going to have a lot of explaining to do when they meet the Almighty. And for your information, I live in a booming economy where 40% profit is pretty normal. People have a lot of money around these parts and enjoy spending it. We here in North Dakota actually live the kind of shit you're always imaging in that head of yours.

Originally Posted by: DakotaT