Why not trade away from next year to get the help we need this year?· Page 7

QCHuskerFan
Member

10 years ago

Trading for more 2014 picks by using your 2015 picks is like spending your entire paycheck on the lottery. Yes, you might win and therefore have no needs in the future. But the reality is that you won't win, and you'll be bankrupt in the future.

When haven't the Packers (Or any team) headed into the offseason with some major needs? Remember 2012? No running game? Needed a back badly in the 1st round. Which became the 2nd. Who became the ROY. Imagine if in 2012 draft, in an effort to improve the OLB position, Ted Thompson traded 2013 2nd to move up and get ________. Then we enter 2013 with RB needs and no pick.

Yes, we need some new starters. I would expect the average NFL team is 'replacing' about 1 in 6 starters every offseason. Including Kickers, there are 24 starters. So we need 4 new ones. S, DL, TE, and ILB. Sounds about right.

Actually, it's probably higher than 1 in 6. On Offense, from 2013 playoff game, we may have a new starting RT, C, TE, WR, and FB in game 1 of 2014. And that's on a dang good offense. Nearly half of starters. Yes, some will be filled internally from young or recovered players, but replaced they will be.

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Zero2Cool
Elite Member

10 years ago

#62

Well, if you can't come back from injury you don't belong in the NFL.
How many players DON'T get hurt? They all get hurt sometime or another.

Today's world of medicine allows full recovery from knee and other injuries and dozens of players come back every year that proves this.

The only players I wonder about coming back at full strength is Sherrod because THAT was a bad injury and Finley because neck/spine is where you can talk about careers being over.

The other guys? No. A foot? A thumb? A hammy? Please. If every team looked at the end of year injury report and said "well, don't count on any of those guys" they would all be in a major rebuilding project every year.

Originally Posted by: warhawk

I believe every player plays HURT. Fingernail, twisted ankle, what have you.

Packers players are getting INJURED and it seem like a lot.

I believe the roster has a lot of talent, but just not enough UMPHF to stay on the field. Maybe its bad luck?

texaspackerbacker
Veteran Member

10 years ago

#63

What a bunch of negativist CRAP! The Packers are FAR from being in/winning the Super Bowl? Come On!

First of all, if things fell right, it's entirely possible we could go all the way with pure crap on defense and with a shaky O-Line - Aaron Rodgers is that good.

Secondly, we will be infinitely better on defense just by getting rid of Raji and Pickett. In addition, however, all the negative crap notwithstanding, we will be greatly improved also by having back all those injured players for a full season - even minus an average amount of injuries next season.

We lost by 3 lousy points to arguably one of the top three teams in the NFL - having Rodgers back, yes, but still pretty crippled by injuries. I really don't see any reason we can't beat Seattle either.

And all of that is saying nothing about additions - hopefully a good draft, hopefully Thompson departing just a little bit from his ways and picking up a quality Safety and/or LB.

Hell No, we aren't far from Super Bowl quality. With just equal luck with injuries and in other areas, we are right there with the best right now.

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yooperfan
Veteran Member

10 years ago

#64

Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker

You know, you just may be right on this.
Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

play2win
Senior Member Topic Starter

10 years ago

#65

That's dream world material. Google-eyed NFC North Division Champ illusions…. Our division sucked so bad that they are thinking of changing the rules for playoff seeding and whether or not division champs are automatic qualifiers.

Again, we did not beat one team with a winning record last year, and we ranked 31st in the NFL on defense. Until we get a defense other teams have to contend with, we will remain pretenders.

Who here did not see that defense wins championships this past season? The last two times we won the SB we had phenomenal defenses, loaded with playmakers. That just simply is not the case today.

What is more negative? Looking at our true standing in this league, or pretending everything is alright just because we have Aaron Rodgers?

We had a healthy Aaron Rodgers in both 2011 and in 2012, and we didn't finish the job because we had the very same issues affecting our play on defense. We are talking 3 years later about the exact same needs. SSALY. Three years running.

And, this horse shit about trading a future pick being akin to throwing salary on a lottery ticket. Puhleeeease! That is the kind of garbage that keeps people from taking any chances.

Did SEA not take any chances? WOW. Look what they just did.

Every draft choice includes a fair amount of risk. I'm simply open to Ted possibly trading away next year's R1 if he sees a player available that he deems worthy of such a move. That would have to be a pretty good player, right? That same player will still be on the roster next season, right? Well, what the hell's the problem? If we get 2 really good players into our system this year from R1 instead of 1, that extra player will have a full year of NFL experience under his belt by 2015.

Am I expecting him to do so? Hell no. But, if he did, I would welcome the move. I'd rather bolster a depleted defense with more top picks this year than wait. That's all.

steveishere
Veteran Member

10 years ago

#66

How the crap are you expecting to get another 1st rounder this year with next years first round pick?

QCHuskerFan
Member

10 years ago

#67

Who here did not see that defense wins championships this past season?

Originally Posted by: play2win

And in 2013, the #17 Defense (ranked even lower than the feeble Packers, by the way) beat the #3 Defense for the Super Bowl title. So evidently, Defense doesn't always win. Sorry.

But you were right in 2012. The #27 D beat the #31 D for the title. Clearly, Defense wins championships based on this! What's that? You mean 2 teams ranked in the worst 6 defensive teams in the league played in the Super Bowl??? Heresy!

In 2011 Super Bowl, the Packers won with the #5 D!!! Of course the Steelers lost and their D was ranked... #2.

What's this mean? Absolutely nothing.

The 2013 Houston Texans had the #7 ranked defense! And won 2 games.

In 2013, the #6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, & 18 teams did not make the playoffs. The #19 team did and made it all the way to the Super Bowl.

Again? Nothing.

Seattle was the first team to win the Super Bowl in the last 10 years without a prototypical Franchise QB. Does that mean that the Patriots, Broncos, Saints, Steelers, Packers are all going to drop their studs and go with the new trend of young, short and average at QB? I doubt it, but I might be wrong.

Yes, the D needs to get better. But not at the cost of the future.

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QCHuskerFan
Member

10 years ago

#68

Let's not forget what it took the Redskins to move up in the 2012 draft. Just to move up. Not to add a pick. It took 2 1st and a 2nd, in addition to their 2012 1st.

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musccy
Veteran Member

10 years ago

#69

Originally Posted by: warhawk

I would have applauded you twice for this, but since I can't, I'll just quote you and say nice post!

It's conceivably possible that maybe 1 or 2 of the injured won't return to prior form, but to assume none will?

musccy
Veteran Member

10 years ago

#70

Every draft choice includes a fair amount of risk. I'm simply open to Ted possibly trading away next year's R1 if he sees a player available that he deems worthy of such a move. That would have to be a pretty good player, right? That same player will still be on the roster next season, right? Well, what the hell's the problem? If we get 2 really good players into our system this year from R1 instead of 1, that extra player will have a full year of NFL experience under his belt by 2015.

Am I expecting him to do so? Hell no. But, if he did, I would welcome the move. I'd rather bolster a depleted defense with more top picks this year than wait. That's all.

Originally Posted by: play2win

From the Seahawks' depth chart online, here is their starting D's roster's draft position/year.

Bryant - #121 2008
McDaniel - undrafted FA 2006
Mebane - #85 2007
Clemons - undrafted FA 2003
Irvin - #15 2012
Wagner - #47 2012
Smith - #242 2012
Sherman - #154 2011
Maxwell - #173 2011
Chancellor - #133 2010
Thomas - #14 2010

Every starter behind their DL is from their last 4 draft classes, and only 2/11ths of their defense is from the 1st RD. So why must the Packers trade up into Rd 1 to get a top-notch defense?

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