Why not trade away from next year to get the help we need this year?

play2win
Senior Member Topic Starter

10 years ago

I've always wondered about this and why so many people are opposed to trading away from next year's draft. To me, it seems we have a window of opportunity, and we are in DIRE need of upgrades at so many positions. Why wait? The player you trade up for will be on your roster with a year's experience under his belt next year.

We have so many needs, that I am hoping Ted makes a change in his philosophy and goes all in this May in the draft. I would love for him to land a couple of top talents trading up like he did in 2009 with the additions of Raji and Matthews. That trade up helped us win a SB.

I'd gladly trade away our R1 for 2015 if it would help us eliminate our problems on D, which right now are vast.

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beast
Select Member

10 years ago

I think because you normal lose value that way... like say a 1st round next year is worth a 2nd round this year ... while that might not be true that's normally how draft picks are traded.. get one round this year but have to give up your pick in the next higher round the next.

If there is a good player for it then you can surely think about trying it though, I think Ted Thompson has said he doesn't like trading draft picks from one year to another as he prefers to have it balance out more and you never know when one year will be really good and the next one won't be or vice versa

nerdmann
Premier Member

10 years ago

Ted takes the long view, and I'm glad he does that. He does not mortgage the future, or we wouldn't have had a chance the last few years.

“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”

DakotaT
Select Member

10 years ago

Ted takes the long view, and I'm glad he does that. He does not mortgage the future, or we wouldn't have had a chance the last few years.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann

Since first ballot hall of famers don't fall from the sky, how many more years do we have to win some more Super Bowls? Favre, Rodgers, ? do we have a long view, or a shorter window than we think?

dhazer
Veteran Member

10 years ago

Ted takes the long view, and I'm glad he does that. He does not mortgage the future, or we wouldn't have had a chance the last few years.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann

I say we go the other way and trade our 1st this year for a 1st next year to a team like the jags or Browns :)

Look what the Rams got from trading away their 2nd overall pick 2 years ago for 3 1st round picks and now this year they have the 2nd overall pick from the redskins and then they have their own pick at #13.

Just Imagine this for the next 6-9 years. What a ride it will be 🙂 (PS, Zero should charge for this)

nerdmann
Premier Member

10 years ago

Since first ballot hall of famers don't fall from the sky, how many more years do we have to win some more Super Bowls? Favre, Rodgers, ? do we have a long view, or a shorter window than we think?

Originally Posted by: DakotaT

Mike can do with Tolzien what he did with Rich Gannon. We'll see how he develops. Could be the next Hasselbeck.

At any rate, I'm not going to live in fear of the future. We developed the guy we've got now, nothing says we couldn't do it again. And btw, this team has won 12 world championships without him!

“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”

sschind
Senior Member

10 years ago

Originally Posted by: dhazer

And If I were the Rams I'd trade it away again. With so many teams needing a QB someone (vikings maybe) might be willing to swap places and throw in a few extra picks. Maybe and second and a 4th.

In our case we don't have the #2 pick we have the #23 pick. I doubt the Jags would trade their #1 next year, which will likely be a top 5 pick for the #23 pick this year. That would be just stupid. Which means maybe the Browns would do it.

I missed the smiley at the end of you post. I answered as if you were making a serious suggestion. That may not be the case, sorry.

steveishere
Veteran Member

10 years ago

I don't see an extra 2nd round pick being the solution to our problems and at an unknown cost. If some badass prospect for whatever reason falls to the second round that's one thing but going into the draft planning to trade a future 1st for some as yet unknown player... that's just silly.

Problem is you don't know what you are giving away, Rodgers could go out for the year week 1 and we end up with a top 5 pick next year. Not only do we lost the top 5 pick then we also lost it for some player that probably ended up being irrelevant for that season anyways. Not really worth it.

wpr
Preferred Member

10 years ago

Earlier this week I was looking at Walter's site. They feel the 2015 draft will have more quality players than the 2014 draft.

They would lose 2 ways. Giving up a 1st for a 2nd or a 2nd for a 3rd. Who every they draft this year would need to be rated a round higher on their board than they take him. And the player they lose out on next year would be better than who ever is picked in that spot in the 2014 draft.

nerdmann
Premier Member

10 years ago

#10

Originally Posted by: wpr

I could see Ted taking advantage of an arbitrage opportunity of that sort.

“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”

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