Why not trade away from next year to get the help we need this year?· Page 3

musccy
Veteran Member

11 years ago

We can sit around and find the bad in any potential move and therefore not do it. Maybe it would be better for us to stay in our houses all day too.

No GM, HC or even player of any substance in any professional sport got to where they are by being afraid of the "what ifs."

The upside by going after a quality FA has more potential benefit than the downside.

Originally Posted by: wpr

The original question was whether you leverage some of next year's draft for a player you feel good about in the 2014 draft and the progression of my points was that no FA, trade, or draft pick, will guarantee you've filled a gap, and so I believe in Ted's cautious approach so you are prepared for contingency plans.

Non draft acquisitions seemed to work for the Chiefs with A. Smith, it worked with Woody, Reggie, Sean Jones, Eugene Robinson, and Pickett, but look what the Seahawks have gotten out of Harvin and Sidney Rice for 20 mil combined. I bet that's something they want to address this offseason, or at least bolster their WR depth.

Even if the Packers signed Byrd or any FA safety (which I'm not necessarily opposed to) it doesn't mean that we're in the clear, nor should we jeopardize future drafts for the sake of plugging a hole that we think is the last piece of the puzzle. It is inevitable that some other unforeseen gap will open up.

texaspackerbacker
Veteran Member

11 years ago

#22

I believe our window is smaller than most people think.
We all saw in 2013 what life is like without Rodgers. He's no ironman and he is approaching the ripe old age of 30 and has been sacked way too many times.
If we get 5 more years of Rodgers at the top of his game I'll be surprised..
IMHO Ted needs to make some major moves now to elevate the defense if we want a couple more Lombardis during the Rodgers era.
Only one would be a shame.

Originally Posted by: yooperfan

Peyton Manning was 37 last season. Why would you expect any less than Rodgers?

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sschind
Senior Member

11 years ago

#23

Peyton Manning was 37 last season. Why would you expect any less than Rodgers?

Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker

I don't want to put words into yoopers mouth (Oh hell, who am I kidding, if I didn't want to put words into his mouth why would say anything? I'd just let him come on here and explain it himself) I could be wrong but I don't think Manning took the pounding early in his career that Rodgers has. I think that is what he is referring to. Not that his skills won't hold up just that his body might not.

PackFanWithTwins
Veteran Member

11 years ago

#24

Originally Posted by: yooperfan

I also believe the window is smaller than some. Just not for the same reason. It is more about the cycle it takes to develop players, contracts to run their courses.

We have Major pieces locked up in contract. It will only be 2 or 3 years until we are going to need to address those contracts again. And about the same time until Lacy will be ready for a new deal.

We have youth on the team and that youth has considerable experience, we have veterans, and We have money. We have about 2 years to make a serious push at a SB before we will need to fall back and restock both cap and players for another couple years before being in position to make an other push again. I figure a cycle of about 5 years total where 2 should be serious contention. If we make the two years now, we should be able to get two windows before likely losing Rodgers to age.

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yooperfan
Veteran Member

11 years ago

#25

Originally Posted by: sschind

You took the words right out of my mouth.😆

I thought everyone was aware of the beating he has taken over the last 5 years or so.
Another 5 years of that kind of punishment would have to take it's toll.

texaspackerbacker
Veteran Member

11 years ago

#26

Originally Posted by: sschind

Rodgers doesn't seem to be any worse for wear. A freak collarbone break ain't generally chronic. I'd be the first to agree with you (or maybe second after Wade) if you're talking about our O-Line never giving Rodgers the protection it should. Just the same, if the comparison is to Peyton Manning, I think you have to consider that Rodgers had 3 seasons of clipboard holding, while P. Manning was on the field taking occasional hits from his first game. So the "early in his career" comment is kinda false.

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Wade
Veteran Member

11 years ago

#27

Peyton Manning was 37 last season. Why would you expect any less than Rodgers?

Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker

For one, Manning for most of his career had a better OL in front of him than Rodgers has ever had. For another, Manning throughout his career was less likely to hold on to the ball longer. For a third, Peyton Manning and a certain unnamed Rodgers predecessor are the exception,not the rule, for quarterback longevity, especially if you only count those quarterbacks who define their offense for their entire career the way Rodgers and Manning have.

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nerdmann
Premier Member

11 years ago

#28

We don't know how many years of "window" we have left. To me, that doesn't matter anyway.

We need to stop pissing these seasons away with injuries and Polish football.

“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”

Wade
Veteran Member

11 years ago

#29

Don't forget where Rodgers is on the concussion clock. A lot of the injuries he is susceptible to at his position are not as nice and likely to completely heal without future risk as the one collarbone injury.

Quarterbacks get hit, and when they get hit they can (i) get (another) concussion, (ii) get a major knee injury, get a throwing shoulder injury; (iv) get a throwing elbow injury; (v) get an Achilles injury; (vi) get a debiliating (for a football player) back injury; (vii) get serious tendonitis, or (viii) get a serious neck injury, any and all of which have varying degrees of "career threatening/shortening/making ineffective" potential greater than that of a busted collarbone.

Quarterbacks may not wear out with the speed of a running back, but between the position they play and the manner of the hits they take, they are major injuries waiting to happen. For the Packers to act as if Rodgers will last as long as Manning has would be, IMO, irresponsible. The odds are seriously against it.

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nerdmann
Premier Member

11 years ago

#30

Originally Posted by: Wade

He might want to start getting the ball out a little faster.

“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”

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